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    #32
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,274 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Reamer Fanny, the thread was deleted for a reason. Do that again and your next post will be in Prison.


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    #33
    ZeRoY
    Registered Users Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ZeRoY


    Dav wrote: »
    Can I just point out that we have no assurances that the parties involved are over 18 and if it turns out that they're not, every person who has shared the image(s?) will now be eligible for prosecution for the distribution of child pornography.

    I'll just let that sink in for a minute.

    The person who took the pic will also be eligible for prosecution for creating and distributing child pornography.

    I'm really glad that discussion about this has been snipped - we don't need to add to what is already going to be a mess.

    Totally agree, I would add that this above post is along the line of the content that was in the removed thread so the discussion is back on and this new thread should be gone too I guess. Its a loop really.


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    #34
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What good is a discussion going to do? Boards don't want to talk about it anymore and rightly so. I find it very strange that people feel the need to discuss something like that in more detail it is what it is. Girl was extremely intoxicated and done something she'll regret the rest of her life I'd imagine. Just leave it at that?

    QFT. The very worst of us is on display in the pic and in any "discussion" of same.


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    #35
    MugMugs
    Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    stankratz wrote: »
    You didn't really read my full post did you before you jumped at the chance to brown nose? Highly convenient that you cut my sentence off right where it suited you.
    I cut it off because it was irrelevant.

    Other Mods? Of other forums? So in other words, just general members of the community when outside their own forum so how are they relevant to AH mods not being about?
    Dav wrote: »
    Can I just point out that we have no assurances that the parties involved are over 18 and if it turns out that they're not, every person who has shared the image(s?) will now be eligible for prosecution for the distribution of child pornography.

    I'll just let that sink in for a minute.

    The person who took the pic will also be eligible for prosecution for creating and distributing child pornography.

    I believe "child" is defined as somebody under the age of 17 in Irish statute. Not to be a pedant however the rumours circulating are that she was indeed 17 and as such, the above is null.


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    #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    So you want Boards to pay people to monitor threads late at night, in order to prevent you from wasting time posting on threads that could end up being subsequently locked/deleted?

    Yes that is totally the reason, and not at all because there's potential for a life to be decimated by the time you log in the following morning:rolleyes:

    I don't question it being snipped, just the manner in which it was done and how long it took. I had never seen that before, it definitely confused me for a minute or 2. I've seen threads locked but not deleted, every day is a school day I guess. I've already posted, in my OP I think, that it should have been locked instantly, especially so soon after the locking of the 1st one. Now that I've found out that that was not possible last night, I consider my query answered and accept that there is nothing I can do to help slanegirl but to withdraw from here and help the thread die. For anyone who thinks 'why did you start this thread in the first place then?', well I've already outlined that plus as this is my first venture into feedback, I really did think it would go like...

    stankratz: query.
    1 Feedback Mod: Answer.
    /Thread

    Thanks to the mods who did answer and address my concerns without the need to be condesending, gonna do myself a favour and stick to less emotional debates in future cause I just can't read that shíte and not get involved.


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    #37
    Gordon
    Registered Users Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    stankratz wrote: »
    I had never seen that before, it definitely confused me for a minute or 2. I've seen threads locked but not deleted, every day is a school day I guess.
    You haven't seen threads deleted before because they've been deleted before you noticed them.


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    #38
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    stankratz wrote: »
    Yes that is totally the reason, and not at all because there's potential for a life to be decimated by the time you log in the following morning.

    In fairness, I'm only going on what you said yourself.
    stankratz wrote: »
    Obviously you guys don't want it anywhere near Boards, but it is kind of frustrating when you unexpectedly stay up all of a Sunday night to engage in this discussion and then next thing the thread is gone as if it never existed, without a word.


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    #39
    [Deleted User]
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    MugMugs wrote: »
    I cut it off because it was irrelevant.

    Other Mods? Of other forums? So in other words, just general members of the community when outside their own forum so how are they relevant to AH mods not being about?



    I believe "child" is defined as somebody under the age of 17 in Irish statute. Not to be a pedant however the rumours circulating are that she was indeed 17 and as such, the above is null.

    Ah ffs, it was totally relevant! I was making the point that it is not uncommon at all to see mods online at night, so therefore to 'expect' such a thread to be closed during the night at any minute isn't far out or unreasonable. Just happens by chance and not policy that there were no After Hour mods or CMods online last night, as explained by Mickey Dolenz. In fairness Mugs, I think there's enough mods here for them to defend themselves anyway.

    I saw rumours she was 16, even 15, so what's to say your rumours are correct? Even if she was 17, it still doesn't make it alright irrespective of whether it was legal or not. Ugh i'm worse myself for wasting this time.


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    #40
    MugMugs
    Registered Users Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    stankratz wrote: »
    Ah ffs, it was totally relevant! I was making the point that it is not uncommon at all to see mods online at night, so therefore to 'expect' such a thread to be closed during the night at any minute isn't far out or unreasonable. Just happens by chance and not policy that there were no After Hour mods or CMods online last night, as explained by Mickey Dolenz. In fairness Mugs, I think there's enough mods here for them to defend themselves anyway.
    You said that it's not wholly unreasonable to expect mods to be online at night when other mods are online.

    It is. They were probably in bed / living their lives. Other Mods are irrelvant to this as they are not specific mods to that forum. And why would anybody have to "defend" themselves? This is a discussion, not an inquisition.
    stankratz wrote: »
    I saw rumours she was 16, even 15, so what's to say your rumours are correct? Even if she was 17, it still doesn't make it alright irrespective of whether it was legal or not. Ugh i'm worse myself for wasting this time.
    Fair enough. I was just raising the point that "child" is defined as somebody under the age of 17 and not 18 as pointed out by Dav. I have no wish to discuss her age or this topic. :)


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    #41
    Sala
    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Sala


    I applaud boards and wish everywhere else would remove these discussions and links. This is not a public interest story- Discussing the behavior of teenagers can be done without publicly ridiculing one individual.


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    #42
    shopaholic01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    I read that thread last night, but am currently not in a postion to report it. I did check to see if any admins/mods appeared to be online to PM them. It contained a link to a comments on Twitter, and therefore, a link to the actual photos and speculation regarding the girl's name.

    Leaving aside the impact this will have on all involved - particularly the girl, who is obviously young - posting pornography is against the charter. The thread itself descended into arguments about gender issues and abusive comments towards the girl and the two guys involved.

    Reading it I imagined what it would be like to be in that position. I have never done anything on that scale, and luckily my teenage years were before the Facebook/Twitter/smart phone era. I would be absolutely distraught if I were her. Imagine going back to school/college/work, even going to the local shop?

    Other threads are deleted when necessary, this was definitely the right call in this case. The legal aspect doesn't concern me, it's the ethical one. How would posters feel if that was their daughter/cousin/niece etc? Most will probably say 'I'd know what they were getting up to/they wouldn't do that'. I'd imagine this girl's family thought the same.


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    #43
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Dave! wrote: »
    I think you're missing the point - Boards doesn't want to give this topic any more airtime than it has already had. It doesn't matter what is the nature of the discussion, they don't want to draw any more attention to the girl.

    Also it's interesting that the guy barely gets a mention -it's as if he's not involved at all. That's some serious double standards right there!


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    #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stankratz wrote: »
    Ah ffs, it was totally relevant! I was making the point that it is not uncommon at all to see mods online at night, so therefore to 'expect' such a thread to be closed during the night at any minute isn't far out or unreasonable. Just happens by chance and not policy that there were no After Hour mods or CMods online last night, as explained by Mickey Dolenz. In fairness Mugs, I think there's enough mods here for them to defend themselves anyway.

    I saw rumours she was 16, even 15, so what's to say your rumours are correct? Even if she was 17, it still doesn't make it alright irrespective of whether it was legal or not. Ugh i'm worse myself for wasting this time.

    No, it wasn't relevant. Trying to protect someone who is underage & to protect the site from possible legal action(in this case it was more likely then any even I poked fun at that stance in other situations) is far greater than keeping discussion open to appease posters. 100% was the right decision to close the discussion down as Mike said discussion of such a subject shows the very worst of this site even if comments are in jest.


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    #45
    TheChizler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,403 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Followed it right till the end while I was supposed to be studying for an exam this morning, whatever about the content of the thread, it had basically descended to name calling. IMO that would have been reason enough to end it.


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    #46
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    If I'm going to passionately uphold my right to freedom of expression on boards, it'll probably won't be over a thread about two kids that did something silly and have now been made to pay way over the odds for it by some very nasty people.


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    #47
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,846 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    I don't see the benefits of having a thread on this type of thing at all. For all those who are complaining that it is not allowed to be discussed, what would your feelings on thousands of people online discussing it if it were your sister/daughter or something? It is getting enough airtime on other social media platforms without boards adding to the hysteria over it.

    Chances are it'll be mostly forgotten in not that long a time anyhow, although the girl herself will have to live with the consequences. I don't even remember what that KPMG girl thing was about (nor do I care) even though I do recall that there was a hullabaloo at the time and I was aware of it then at least.


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    #48
    RuggieBear
    Registered Users Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    anncoates wrote: »
    If I'm going to passionately uphold my right to freedom of expression on boards, it'll probably won't be over a thread about two kids that did something silly and have now been made to pay way over the odds for it by some very nasty people.
    There is no right to freedom of expression on boards...


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    #49
    efb
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    Don't see th need for discussion on this. Off limits.


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    #50
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    RuggieBear wrote: »
    There is no right to freedom of expression on boards...

    Your prefect badge is in the post.

    OK then, freedom of thread topic choice within the accepted parameters of boards.


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    #51
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,059 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    How come discussion on stuff like that is off limits while discussion on things like those girls in Peru (for example) is seemingly fine, with people all but calling for them to be hanged? Loads of other examples too.. racists ranting on buses, drunken skangers making tits of themselves on the streets.. those threads are rarely shut down in such a reactionary way...

    I don't really care whether discussion is permitted or not, but as always when this kind of thing arises; an inherent double standard becomes apparent.


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    #52
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My name is URL wrote: »
    How come discussion on stuff like that is off limits while discussion on things like those girls in Peru (for example) is seemingly fine, with people all but calling for them to be hanged? Loads of other examples too.. racists ranting on buses, drunken skangers making tits of themselves on the streets.. those threads are rarely shut down in such a reactionary way...

    I don't really care whether discussion is permitted or not, but as always when this kind of thing arises; an inherent double standard becomes apparent.

    Is it not obvious?

    The subject matter is the picture of an underage girl in the middle of an act that actually falls under child pornography. I cannot understand how anyone can object & want discussion on this. The internet is ****ing nuts.


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    #53
    btard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭btard


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    I think you're confusing boards.ie with /b/.

    Nah. I could never confuse this site with /b/. If moot was willing to stifle freedom of expression and kowtow to the moralfags he could be a multi millionaire. He has more integrity than that.


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    #54
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    My two cents?

    I wish people would stop discussing it before her name leaks out and is attached to the image.

    I'd say kpmg girl could join a conversation in the pub about kpmg girl at this point, and nobody would have a clue it was her.

    I'd like to think she could put this behind her. If shutting down discussion here helps this, I'm all for it. If people want to talk about it, there is a real life option. Go talk to somebody.


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    #55
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,059 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is it not obvious?

    The subject matter is the picture of an underage girl in the middle of an act that actually falls under child pornography. I cannot understand how anyone can object & want discussion on this. The internet is ****ing nuts.

    How do you know she's underage? And that's missing the point completely anyway. A mod, the one who is actively closing threads and dishing out warnings & bans has said they were closed because they don't want Boards to be at the centre of an online bullying campaign.. which is fair enough. But it's not an ideal which appears to be enforced or encouraged all of the time.


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    #56
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    My name is URL wrote: »
    How come discussion on stuff like that is off limits while discussion on things like those girls in Peru (for example) is seemingly fine, with people all but calling for them to be hanged?t.

    To be fair, the latter are suspected drug smugglers and the former presumably didn't consent to their image being distributed around the net.


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    #57
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,059 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    anncoates wrote: »
    To be fair, the latter are suspected drug smugglers and the former presumably didn't consent to their image being distributed around the net.

    She consented to her own actions though, and did so in full view of the public.. did the suspected drug mules agree to have their pictures ripped from Facebook and posted all over the place for people to comment on and hurl abuse towards?

    Also, 'suspected' is quite an operative word in that whole thing.


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    #58
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    My name is URL wrote: »
    How do you know she's underage?

    You willing to take the chance and deal with the consequences if she is?


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    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    My name is URL wrote: »
    How do you know she's underage? And that's missing the point completely anyway. A mod, the one who is actively closing threads and dishing out warnings & bans has said they were closed because they don't want Boards to be at the centre of an online bullying campaign.. which is fair enough. But it's not an ideal which appears to be enforced or encouraged all of the time.


    I don't think it's missing the point to be honest dude.

    So she might not be underage? That's a pretty weak counterpoint.

    There's a spectrum of opinions on that girl in Peru for example. That's a current affair. It's all over the news. It's not amounting to essentially an onling bully campaign.

    I don't see why AH not wanting to be part of one discussion about a likely underage girl's exploits at a concert has anything to do with a double standard you're trying to highlight here.

    People still have opinions. We don't speak as one on boards. That doesn't mean there's a double standard there.

    Take it on an isolated basis. I think we should aim for higher than being part of a discussion about some teen's sex life that's trending on twitter.


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    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    My name is URL wrote: »
    How come discussion on stuff like that is off limits while discussion on things like those girls in Peru (for example) is seemingly fine, with people all but calling for them to be hanged?
    Alleged drug trafficking and a sex-act between teens are hardly comparable. The women in Peru are now at the behest of the Peruvian judicial system, and nothing said here is going to affect that. But if Boards can be one less social media outlet that contributes to the online character assassination of a teenage girl who made a big mistake, then great.


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    #61
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,059 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Sarky wrote: »
    You willing to take the chance and deal with the consequences if she is?

    I never said I wanted discussion to be allowed. I'm asking why the same kind of standard isn't applied in other instances. Pretty straight forward I would have thought.. but continue to cherry pick if you want.


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