Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

HandsomeBob wrote: »

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/tessa-thompson-walks-back-criticism-of-lena-dunham.html

Lena Dunham's in the 'TimesUp' movement?  But she's a molester, and rape defender. And its noticeable that the
'Non white' ladies are being treated like crud.

The Times Up movement is already falling apart. Im even reminded of how the 'Gun Control' movement, despite the shooting of Gabby Giffords 7 years ago, fell to pieces within months.

The statement Dunham made when the writer on Girls was accused was clumsy, but the idea behind it was probably the most well meaning and decent thing she's shown since I've become aware of her. There isn't anything wrong with supporting a friend who has been accused of a horrific crime and I'd like to think that any of us would do the same for a friend instead of throwing them underneath the bus. The problem is that Lena should have kept it to herself instead of issuing such a bizarre statement.

The problem with the movement is the same with any movement without one coherent voice; the bigger it gets, the more it splinters into sub groups who comandeer the message and define it differently.

I completely agree.  For the first time I had respect for the little pebble pusher.  Then her friend's lawyers claimed the victim was shaking them down for money and subsequently retracted that claim and I went back to disgust.  You don't defend friends like that. 
Incidentally, my sister was going through her old fashion magazines and came upon an article about the guy's wedding to his wife.  Apparently Lena did an interpretive dance at their wedding.  She must have had to pay them.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

_Dara_ wrote: »

I’ve avoided most of the Golden Globes coverage because... vom. Is it true that there was no mention of male victims?

I only watched Oprah’s speech on mute. She’s a consummate populist. I just... can’t. But the standing ovation at the end. Barf. Especially hurts to see actors I love like Frances McDormand and Sam Rockwell getting involved in the back-slapping. Nooooo!

If you count one joke made at Kevin Spacey's expense, yep, nothing.  Wasn't even anything made about 'Hollywood's fave perviest uncle George Takei' (His words, btw) but then again he's hardly Hollywood anymore-he's more a twitter persona nowadays, and since the allegation against him, even that is fading out.

NI24 wrote: »

There have been dozens of post lambasting Meryl and Rose for what they did or didn't do and a handful denouncing the men.  I see reality.

Look at the title-Weinstein is the one whose getting bashed the most.  But to my recollection, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Kevin Spacey, Dustin Hoffman, Dan Schneider, Danny Masterson, John Travolta, Bryan Singer, Brett Ratner, James Franco, Woody Allen, JAmes Woods, Max Landis, Eddie Berganza (comic book editor) etc have been blasted on these boards (the latter probably not as much as others).

Rose and Meryl have gotten coverage in the last few pages, but hardly the entirety.

Most of those men aren't silent and complicit (like Meryl); they (supposedly) actively committed crimes against women.  I'm talking about the men who worked with Weinstein.

NI24 wrote: »

Most of those men aren't silent and complicit (like Meryl); they (supposedly) actively committed crimes against women.  I'm talking about the men who worked with Weinstein.

Then look at the Tarantino, Clooney posts-Tarantino's career is so over, he's having to resort to doing a Star Trek movie. Without the Weinsteins, he's done.

Also, look at the praise people gave Jessica Chastain for calling out Bryan Singer-not even worried if she never acts again.

suicide_circus wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42630108

Well well well....

Yeah, the feminists on twitter are already lambasting her...cos she has 'white privilege'. Ugh, that phrase, it's like they have nothing else up their sleeve.
And ask em to explain it, they got nothing.

Dylan Farrow's calling out the posers, which there are many of.

https://www.themarysue.com/when-is-woody-allens-time-up/

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

suicide_circus wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42630108

Well well well....

Yeah, the feminists on twitter are already lambasting her...cos she has 'white privilege'.  Ugh, that phrase, it's like they have nothing else up their sleeve.
And ask em to explain it, they got nothing.

Are they lambasting her for going on French TV this year to defend Roman Polanski?  Are they lambasting her for defending him at a retrospective of his work?  According to her, the attacks against him made her "not proud to be a woman".

Wibbs wrote: »

I can see a backlash coming. Monsters like Harvey need to be exposed and that's a gaol society should set, but the attention seeking that has coasted in on the back of that goal, particularly from celeb talking heads will start to make people question more.

With such movements there is always a risk, perhaps an inevitability, that it will go too far and have unintended consequences. In this open letter these French women are warning against a new sexual puritanism and defending the right to attempt to seduce, even clumsily. It's a ballsy move in the current climate you have to say!

NI24 wrote: »

Are they lambasting her for going on French TV this year to defend Roman Polanski?  Are they lambasting her for defending him at a retrospective of his work?  According to her, the attacks against him made her "not proud to be a woman".

Hollywood is a glass house, where everyohe is afraid to throw stones.

I'd bet it's been a good while since anybody attempted to "hit on" Deneuve, as she understands it. (And no, not because "she's an old hag", but because of her iconic status in France.)

She was young in a completely different era, and in France to boot. What we consider dangerous sexual harassment now, was actually deemed merely clumsy attempts at seduction then - it was a very chauvinistic society by present-day standards.

She probably just forgot that time has (supposedly ) moved on since the days of her being a young actress having to physically fend off every perv with any amount of power in the film industry. Which given the pervading culture of the time, she probably considered just a part of the job.

seenitall wrote: »

I'd bet it's been a good while since anybody attempted to "hit on" Deneuve, as she understands it. (And no, not because "she's an old hag", but because of her iconic status in France.)

She was young in a completely different era, and in France to boot. What we consider dangerous sexual harassment now, was actually deemed merely clumsy attempts at seduction then - it was a very chauvinistic society by present-day standards.

She probably just forgot that time has (supposedly ) moved on since the days of her being a young actress having to physically fend off every perv with any amount of power in the film industry. Which given the pervading culture of the time, she probably considered just a part of the job.

So in short you're using internalised misogyny as an excuse. She's not allowed an opinion, one which 100 other women share. Okayyyy...

My grandmother lived to be a 100, she changed her attitude toward things very often during her life, adapting with the times and changing her attitude as she learned and experienced changes in the world.
Deneuve has been at the forefront of feminism, long before most of these ladies who denounce her now were even born.
Shes the one who said 'A woman has to be intelligent, have charm, a sense of humor, and be kind. It's the same qualities I require from a man.'
What they are angry about is over a 100 women, and many more who did not sign, are not cowtowing to their whims. That the 'Timesup' and 'Metoo' Movements are young, and already falling apart is what's been taken away from this.
There is a difference between sexual harassment and flirting. We all know the difference. But empirical feminists see no difference.
And just as an example, why did so few women come forward to defend Tessa Thomson, a woman of colour, when she was essentially forced to apologise to Lena Dunham for a genuine grievance? Its the usual blinkers on.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

So in short you're using internalised misogyny as an excuse. She's not allowed an opinion, one which 100 other women share. Okayyyy...

My grandmother lived to be a 100, she changed her attitude toward things very often during her life, adapting with the times and changing her attitude as she learned and experienced changes in the world.
Deneuve has been at the forefront of feminism, long before most of these ladies who denounce her now were even born.
Shes the one who said 'A woman has to be intelligent, have charm, a sense of humor, and be kind. It's the same qualities I require from a man.'
What they are angry about is over a 100 women, and many more who did not sign, are not cowtowing to their whims. That the 'Timesup' and 'Metoo' Movements are young, and already falling apart is what's been taken away from this.
There is a difference between sexual harassment and flirting. We all know the difference. But empirical feminists see no difference.
And just as an example, why did so few women come forward to defend Tessa Thomson, a woman of colour, when she was essentially forced to apologise to Lena Dunham for a genuine grievance? Its the usual blinkers on.

So, in short, as per Deneuve, a 100 other women, your grandmother and yourself - "trying to steal a kiss" is not sexual harassment. Okaaaay yourself. Only I don't know what all the fuss in Hollywood is about then. Poor misunderstood Harvey, he was only clumsily flirting after all.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/tessa-thompson-walks-back-criticism-of-lena-dunham.html

Lena Dunham's in the 'TimesUp' movement? But she's a molester, and rape defender. And its noticeable that the
'Non white' ladies are being treated like crud.

The Times Up movement is already falling apart. Im even reminded of how the 'Gun Control' movement, despite the shooting of Gabby Giffords 7 years ago, fell to pieces within months.

I'm thinking more along the lines of other movements which originated on/gained traction through Twitter, such as #Occupy or #Black(/insert minority group here)LivesMatter. The extremes of those movements (communists/anarchists for the former, Mugabe Did Nothing Wrong/Fuck White People-types for the latter) got amplified by their opponents and the moderates melted away.