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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Being ' against ' fascism or racism is so absurd that you might expect this from a teenager who is just beginning to discover the world outside of their parent's protection.

    Reminds me of the low IQ character in ' Idiocracy ' who said he liked money and sex a lot.

    I also wonder if some people got a taste for protesting during the 2008 financial crisis (which was a perfectly legitimate reason to protest )and felt like continuing their new hobby, even when there wasn't anything to protest about?

    This would explain the climate hysteria marches and the recent activity of Antifa/ BLM.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    maccored wrote: »
    its a group of people yes. its might not be a group of people who all believe the same thing.

    I'm sorry - I cant dumb it down any further than that

    Neither can I. A group of people all with different ideals but supporting the same football team, lets say milwall, are a group of Milwall Bushwackers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog



    Essentially I'm anti-idiot & anti-ar*ehole.

    So you are antiSid :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭sid waddell


    Akesh wrote: »
    Where did I state that 'the majority of the population of Ireland are "anarchists"'?

    There is no such thing as free speech. Free speech would also imply that Antifa are actually cognitively saying something outside of shouting 'fascist' and 'nazi', to ANYTHING they don't agree with. Also, AntiFa are against free speech.

    Do you think anything through before you start typing?

    The vast majority of people in Ireland are antifa.

    You said the vast majority of them are anarchists.

    But that's clearly totally wrong. It's laughably wrong.

    Given that you say there is "no such thing as free speech" and have called for anybody who uses the words "Nazi" or "fascist" against anybody to be classed as a "domestic terrorist", I think it's fair to say your views on what speech should or should not be allowed are not particularly welcome in a democratic society.

    As I said, they seem a bit, you know, Nazi-like, and that's no exaggeration at all.

    I would hope you haven't thought your views through.

    The much scarier prospect would be that you have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mod: Deleted. Quit playing junior mod.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

    “Being interested in and caring for one’s kind is not to disparage foreign peoples and races."- Nazi party pamphlet "Why the Aryan Law?" (1934)
    Note the date. They were still in the nothing to see here, we're all lovely socialists(but not Bolsheviks) for the German people PR phase.
    “We are not preaching race-hatred but race-recognition and the will to preservation of our own…" - American Nazi Wilheim Kunze (1939)
    A sentiment that would have found favour with a large percentage of White America and still does. Not a particularly fascist stance. Racism is to be found in pretty much every political ideology at one point or other. Indeed a goodly proportion of those storming the beaches of Normandy and killing Nazis would have agreed with him. The US military agreed as it was still racially segregated.

    Then again your understanding and definition of fascism is almost entirely one absorbed from an ignorant and knee jerk American definition of it. For the older viewers you may remember the BBC comedy series "The Young Ones" where the Right On student character Rick shouted Fascist! at anyone or anything that didn't 100% agree with him, so there's nothing new under the sun.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Posts: 0 Aydin Raspy Punch


    The vast majority of people in Ireland are antifa.

    And.... again. Prove it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,653 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Neither can I. A group of people all with different ideals but supporting the same football team, lets say milwall, are a group of Milwall Bushwackers.

    no - a group of people who support football - but not necessarily the same team.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    maccored wrote: »
    no - a group of people who support football - but not necessarily the same team.

    Still a group. And I don't support the Group Antifa.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,653 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Still a group. And I don't support the Group Antifa.

    oh ffs - we're all humans so that makes us all a group, yes?

    There is no group of people called Antifa - its a banner under which many kinds of other groups fly under. I amazed you can tell all the kinds of people you dont agree with considering you dont know what they do or dont stand for you genius you.

    If you want to continue with that line of dubious thought, off you go kiddo. knock yourself out, but just stop wasting my time if you dont mind.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Conar


    The vast majority of people in Ireland are antifa.

    You're one of the only people pushing this idea that antifa only means the person/group is opposed to fascism.

    Like it or not but that (as defined in the dictionary which I quoted earlier) is not what it means.

    Why do you insist on trying to bolster members of a group that you claim doesn't exist?

    Start a poll asking if people are anti fascism and you'll get near total agreement.
    Start a poll asking if people are antifa and you'll get most people opposed.

    We all know why that is, you included. You don't get to decide the meaning of the word antifa and force it onto the rest of us like some kind of fascist dictator.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    maccored wrote: »
    oh ffs - we're all humans so that makes us all a group, yes?

    There is no group of people called Antifa - its a banner under which many kinds of other groups fly under. I amazed you can tell all the kinds of people you dont agree with considering you dont know what they do or dont stand for you genius you.

    If you want to continue with that line of dubious thought, off you go kiddo. knock yourself out, but just stop wasting my time if you dont mind.

    oh, did I hurt your feelings that I don't agree with you. Boo hoo. Stand up for your own actions. I don't need a banner to have my own thoughts. I don't hide behind a mask either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Conar


    maccored wrote: »
    There is no group of people called Antifa - its a banner under which many kinds of other groups fly under.

    And the vast majority of people don't want to associate themselves with that banner and that's because the antifa banner is synonymous with values that most people don't agree with. Antifa like it or not are 'ends justify the means' type anti fascists.
    Most other people are 'bury their head in the sand' or 'democracy will come good' anti fascists and Antifa don't get to claim us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    maccored wrote: »
    oh ffs - we're all humans so that makes us all a group, yes?

    There is no group of people called Antifa - its a banner under which many kinds of other groups fly under. I amazed you can tell all the kinds of people you dont agree with considering you dont know what they do or dont stand for you genius you.

    If you want to continue with that line of dubious thought, off you go kiddo. knock yourself out, but just stop wasting my time if you dont mind.

    https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/under-the-banner-of-something


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭stinkypinky


    Far too many common sense posts over the past few pages. It's always amusing when the ideologues are unable to comprehend that being against Facism but also having no time for black bloc commi scrotes is a perfectly reasonable and normal stance to have. For whatever reason, certain folks see everything as being mutually inclusive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,229 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The issue is whether there is an organisation called antifa. There isn't

    So Antifa are some sort of fluke of quantum mechanics, in as much as they simultaneously exist and don't exist all at once?

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭stinkypinky


    nullzero wrote: »
    So Antifa are some sort of fluke of quantum mechanics, in as much as they simultaneously exist and don't exist all at once?

    First rule of antifa is that you do not talk about antifa.

    Second rule of antifa is that you DO NOT talk about antifa.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    They even have a fleg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭Akesh


    The vast majority of people in Ireland are antifa.

    Where is your proof?
    You said the vast majority of them are anarchists.

    Yes, the vast majority of AntiFa are anarchists.
    But that's clearly totally wrong. It's laughably wrong.

    Oh it's true.
    Given that you say there is "no such thing as free speech" and have called for anybody who uses the words "Nazi" or "fascist" against anybody to be classed as a "domestic terrorist", I think it's fair to say your views on what speech should or should not be allowed are not particularly welcome in a democratic society.

    This is a very poor, childlike argument. I did not say that. Have another read again.
    As I said, they seem a bit, you know, Nazi-like, and that's no exaggeration at all.

    If you can't read or if you lack basic comprehension then things will seem very strange.
    I would hope you haven't thought your views through.

    The much scarier prospect would be that you have.

    No, what is scary is that you either think this is funny or you're so ideologically damaged that you think your incoherent musings are objective.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The intolerant left hates diversity of opinion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,653 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    joeguevara wrote: »

    Are you sure you never heard a whooshing sound as the whole thing went above your head?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,653 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    nullzero wrote: »
    So Antifa are some sort of fluke of quantum mechanics, in as much as they simultaneously exist and don't exist all at once?

    antifa is a name, not an organisation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    maccored wrote: »
    Are you sure you never heard a whooshing sound as the whole thing went above your head?

    The only whooshing is the sound banner of a scumbag group blowing in the wind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    maccored wrote: »
    antifa is a name, not an organisation.

    Its the name of a group. Scumbag group at that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭stinkypinky


    maccored wrote: »
    antifa is a name, not an organisation.

    If they're not an organisation then why are are they organising?

    https://twitter.com/antifaintl/status/1271512601034403842

    "1) We aren’t in contact with every antifa crew in the world (yet!).
    In a lot of ways, antifa are more organized than ever before and we’re seeing cross-border collaboration with projects like this tumblr, The International Anti-Fascist Defence Fund, the International Day of Solidarity with Anti-Fascist Prisoners, etc."


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,229 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    maccored wrote: »
    antifa is a name, not an organisation.

    The word name is a noun that describes a person or thing (a group of people for example).

    Are you suggesting Antifa doesn't exist?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,229 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If they're not an organisation then why are are they organising?

    https://twitter.com/antifaintl/status/1271512601034403842

    "1) We aren’t in contact with every antifa crew in the world (yet!).
    In a lot of ways, antifa are more organized than ever before and we’re seeing cross-border collaboration with projects like this tumblr, The International Anti-Fascist Defence Fund, the International Day of Solidarity with Anti-Fascist Prisoners, etc."

    Antifa exists when they are engaged in violent protest, but they suddenly cease to exist when they are held to account for their illegal actions.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog



    The air of consternation and hurt feelings among a lot of posters in this thread is very funny.


    The only thing your posts hurt are my dwindling brain cells :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭stinkypinky


    nullzero wrote: »
    Antifa exists when they are engaged in violent protest, but they suddenly cease to exist when they are held to account for their illegal actions.

    Denying their existence is probably just a tactic not dissimilar to how they try to bate people into attacking them by blocking streets, putting speakerphones in faces etc. I've posted this article a dozen times, but I've never once had any sort of retort from any of the antifa sympathizers on boards. Here it is, in black and white, pre Trump and stemming from President Obama's administration.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

    "Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO...

    Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI."


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Posted this before but AFA Ireland have had a core membership and leadership group since the late 80s or early 90s,

    Councillor Ciaran Perry and his brother and some other Bohs supporters, Mags Glennon and others have been there since the start.

    Shinners were selling AFA badges and other cr@p in their 58 Parnell Square bookshop last year. Some of newbies are/were members which is surprising as normally Belfast doesn't like any formal dual membership, especially as AFA would have "dissident" republican members from Éirigí and other tiny sects.


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