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25-01-2021, 22:33   #31
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If this is the Runrig version of Loch Lomond then what they are singing is

"Ho mo leannan bhoidheach"

which according to Google means oh my beautiful sweetheart.

around 3 minutes in on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbb9aRSQpsY
I based it off every Scottish wedding / Xmas party I’ve been to!
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25-01-2021, 22:37   #32
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Even when Irish people are happy(ish) they still sing miserably sad songs like The Fields of Athenry.
They worst ‘trad’ song of all imo is The Streets of New York as recorded by the Wolfe Tones, (or maybe it was the Provisional Wolfe Tones).

Let’s face it, Irish people prefer miserable songs, (and miserable books and miserable films as well).
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Not really a trad song but Grace is a miserable auld tune. Lad gets married and then is dragged out to be shot.
He got off light. Wife specialised in howling at wakes.
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Was at a friends house who has one of those Alexa Echo devices

Friend was explaining how Alexa would play just about any genre of music.

So for the laugh I asked Alexa to play some happy trad music

Alexa replied " I don't know any happy trad music"

True story...
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26-01-2021, 00:18   #35
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Well, given our history of centuries of colonial oppression, wars, “the” famine (in reality there were many but the 1845-49 one was the most documented), grinding poverty, misery, hunger, disease....etc etc.

...it’s sorta not surprising that all our traditional music lyrics are sad, sorrowful ones. The Ireland of today doesn’t really lend itself to such lyrics, except for homelessness which, apart from Covid-19 is the biggest challenge we face.

I have to admit that I was never the biggest fan of trad music - sure, a live session down the pub with a good band and the drink flowing (in my drinking days) can be great fun, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to listen to it. My eldest sister plays the bodran and accordion with an expat Irish trad group in Canada.

My late mother knew quite a few trad ballads - and sang a few of them beautifully - Carrickfergus and The Spinning Wheel come to mind.
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Christy Moore playing... Ride On..
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I think there’s a bit of misery in all of us but Grace is a gem of a song, about patriotism and love for fellow countrymen and the love of a young bride for her hero of a husband.

It’s hardly the fault of anyone on the isle that their end was miserable, a despicable death by firing squad at the order of a foreign oppressor for a young man answering a nations call.

How times have changed and how easy it is to dismiss the sadness of generations past and the music their and YOUR history inspired. Look past the misery of your own pointless existences lads, if that’s all you see in some of the other songs you’re knocking there.
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Had a bit of a discussion about this a the weekend.

I will give me my view but throw it open first.

“The great Gaels of Ireland are the men that God made mad,
For all their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad.”

― G.K. Chesterton,

All trad music is either miserable, a random structureless din or a celebration of alcoholism.


One depressing one that springs to mind for me is "School days over" by Luke Kelly. I can just imagine a kid having to get out of his warm bed before dawn and go to work down a flithy, dark, dangerous coal mine. Talk about leaving school only for that to be your bright and happy future.
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Springhill Mining Disaster has to be up there.

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I think there’s a bit of misery in all of us but Grace is a gem of a song, about patriotism and love for fellow countrymen and the love of a young bride for her hero of a husband.

It’s hardly the fault of anyone on the isle that their end was miserable, a despicable death by firing squad at the order of a foreign oppressor for a young man answering a nations call.

How times have changed and how easy it is to dismiss the sadness of generations past and the music their and YOUR history inspired. Look past the misery of your own pointless existences lads, if that’s all you see in some of the other songs you’re knocking there.
We are not knocking them one of my sisters married into a family of singers and trad musicians and we use to have great sessions. This is after hours.

Anyway just thought of this.

The sun is burning a cheery song about nuclear annihilation.
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Why are people conflating folk songs with trad? Just because The Dubliners sang it doesn't make it a trad song. Luke kelly was heavily influenced by Ewan MacColl (father of Kirsty) and songs like "The Spinghill Mine Disaster" and "Lifeboat Mona" come from the folk tradition not trad.
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Why are people conflating folk songs with trad? Just because The Dubliners sang it doesn't make it a trad song. Luke kelly was heavily influenced by Ewan MacColl (father of Kirsty) and songs like "The Spinghill Mine Disaster" and "Lifeboat Mona" come from the folk tradition not trad.
All alright, let's expand it and say in the trad ballad folk tradition.
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A lot of the stuff out of Sharon’s box don’t be great.
Sharon's box was never great the tune was always a bit dry
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They Never Came Home by Christy Moore.

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