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27-01-2021, 11:04   #3481
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Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

As well as Jill Dando, Sophie Toscan Du Plantier and MH 370.
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27-01-2021, 11:06   #3482
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Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.
It really is fascinating. I went down that rabbit hole a while back and it's a right mind-bender.
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27-01-2021, 11:17   #3483
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I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.

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OMG thanks - I haven't seen that one.



Must take a look. the whole story is fascinating and annoying all at once.
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Not sure if this has already been mentioned but DB Copper fascinates me.

As well as Jill Dando, Sophie Toscan Du Plantier and MH 370.
Barry George lives in Cork these days. Ive come across him a few times . A deeply strange man.
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27-01-2021, 12:28   #3486
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Barry George lives in Cork these days. Ive come across him a few times . A deeply strange man.
But did he murder Jill Dando?

That's the unsolved mystery.
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27-01-2021, 22:30   #3487
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Acetaminophen is the yanks name for paracetamol.
Some of the copycat murders involved vitamin pills.

I was curious how the meds were tampered with... I guess this is why we now have packaging that makes it obvious it was interfered with.

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The source was most likely supermarkets and drug stores, over a period of several weeks, with the culprit likely adding the cyanide to the capsules, then methodically returning to the stores to place the bottles back on the shelves.
I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that.
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I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that.
Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.
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I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.

It’s seriously interesting... the fact that they’ve had so many potential suspects but never anywhere near getting their man or having as far as we know, a genuine suspect ...i first read about the story online about 15 years ago and it blew my mind... really intriguing... and frustrating.....
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Ireland's version of Jimmy Hoffa, what happened to Robert Nairac's body after he was murdered.
cut up and put through a mincer .
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I think blister packs weren’t as commonplace back then and the tablets came in capsule form (the type where one part fits into another) rather than the solid formulation they come in today. So you could place cyanide in a capsule and then fit it back together. I don’t know what the seals on the bottles were like. You’d think it would be noticeable that the seals were tampered with. The Tylenol murders brought about a lot of new regulations re: packaging and formulation. Sorry, I’m a bit of a pharma nerd having previously worked in that industry. I nerd out on stuff like that.
Interesting!

Aren't capsule parts widely available to buy?
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Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.
the cotton was to stop the tablets rattling around in the bottle.
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But did he murder Jill Dando?

That's the unsolved mystery.
Wouldnt rule him out.
Resembles suspect seen acting suspiciously just before murder.
Obsession with guns. Photo of him posing with pistol.
Very unhealthy obsession with female celebrities.
Lived nearby.
Gunshot residue in coat pocket.
Suspicious behaviour following murder.
History of weird stalkerish behaviour.

No hard evidence however to tie him to it.

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I watched this, equal parts interesting and frustrating.
Downloaded that to watch tonight. Came across the following recently as well - another in a million theories of course but I have to say the guy makes a very persuasive argument as to how the skyjacking possibly took place - he doesn't identify a suspect but makes a good case that it was probably an active duty US overseas arms forces member - and that he didn't parachute out where is commonly believed:
https://retiredinvestigator.files.wo...pring-2019.pdf

Short read - 13 pages or so.
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Yes, based on research that consists of listening to maybe 2 podcasts, I'm here to say that the tablets definitely weren't in blister packs. I remember the early 1980s myself and tablets came loose in small lidded containers, with a wad of cotton wool under the lid for some reason.
Thanks, mrsdewinter. Very interesting. Were the lids sealed or could you open the bottles with no signs of tampering afterwards?

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Interesting!

Aren't capsule parts widely available to buy?
Yeah, some meds are still available in capsule form. Paracetamol seems to not be though. From a look at my extensive medications collection, only one tablet is in capsule form, a painkiller that is designed to be fast acting. Maybe the capsule format is digested quicker and so hits the bloodstream faster? That particular medication is very strictly controlled though. Not a pick up off the shelf type one.
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