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The 90s Network · 26-01-2021, 11:06

Hi guys and Gals, Just started the family tree. Can anyone tell me the writing on No. 34 here is? A John O' Brien' Many thanks!

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....05/2329573.pdf

**pinkypinky** · 26-01-2021, 11:24

Hmm, could be Breen, rather than Brien.

Father, Richard, a miller
Mother, Mary Clarke

Moorstown?

**spurious** · 26-01-2021, 14:11

There's a marriage for Richard Breen and Mary Clarke in Duleek 25 May 1861, if that is any connection?

**Hermy** · 26-01-2021, 14:25

Id go with Breen for the surname and Kilrush for the place.

Moorstown is for the following entry #35.

Jellybaby_1 · 26-01-2021, 19:30

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Originally Posted by The 90s Network

Hi guys and Gals, Just started the family tree. Can anyone tell me the writing on No. 34 here is? A John O' Brien' Many thanks!

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....05/2329573.pdf

I vote for Breen rather than Brien as the clerk was pretty good at adding dots on all the other I's. Also I can see Kilrush, Mary Breen nee Clarke and daddy was a Miller.

Jellybaby_1 · 26-01-2021, 21:24

The latin note after the sponsor for Charles Ryan is Mater P?, Mother Protestant?

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy...5-1872_ba_0587

Mick Tator · 27-01-2021, 00:29

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Originally Posted by Jellybaby_1

The latin note after the sponsor for Charles Ryan is Mater P?, Mother Protestant?

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy...5-1872_ba_0587

Don't think so Jelly; usually Protestant is written as 'acatholicus' (male or 'acatholica' (female). I've also seen it written as 'hereticus'!

Sometime you see 'predefunctus' (dead) or 'presentis' (present) but it does not look like either of those. I'll look again in the morning!

**spurious** · 27-01-2021, 01:03

One of the parents was Church of Ireland as their marriage in 1856 is registered, but I don't know what the Latin phrase is.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....09/5446521.pdf

**pinkypinky** · 27-01-2021, 09:40

It looks to be the same word written a couple of lines above, although in that case it refers to the father (Pater). I looked up that corresponding civil marriage in 1869 and he was a soldier. They married in Donnybrook parish church but the transcription doesn't specify a religion - one of those weird marriages where they don't show the actual page. No religious one to match on IG.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but George was a Protestant.

**Hermy** · 27-01-2021, 09:46

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Originally Posted by pinkypinky

...one of those weird marriages where they don't show the actual page...

Here be the image...

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....10/8190356.pdf

Mick Tator · 27-01-2021, 10:01

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Originally Posted by spurious

One of the parents was Church of Ireland as their marriage in 1856 is registered, but I don't know what the Latin phrase is.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....09/5446521.pdf

Nice bit of work.
Protestare is to protest, so the sentence is bog Latin, probably something like Pater protestatus.

Jellybaby_1 · 27-01-2021, 20:21

So is Protestare then Protestant? Honestly Its beginning to look like 'Probiotic' to me now.

hammy007 · 30-01-2021, 12:27

Hi All- Can anyone decipher the nationality on line 80 for Georg Muggenthaler? I think they were from Wurttemberg, Germany but I've tried different spellings in Google and it's not recognizing the place name (Reihnmahting??) Thanks for any help you can offer.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...53&pId=1312224

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uftcrtxyjl...ecord.png?dl=0

**spurious** · 30-01-2021, 18:54

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Originally Posted by hammy007

Hi All- Can anyone decipher the nationality on line 80 for Georg Muggenthaler? I think they were from Wurttemberg, Germany but I've tried different spellings in Google and it's not recognizing the place name (Reihnmahting??) Thanks for any help you can offer.

I would fire off an email to the German embassy or even the Wurttemburg council (or equivalent). To allow for wrong spellings/name changes/handwriting errors you could be looking at it forever, but a native German could make a stab at it much more easily.

**New Home** · 31-01-2021, 17:55

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Originally Posted by hammy007

Hi All- Can anyone decipher the nationality on line 80 for Georg Muggenthaler? I think they were from Wurttemberg, Germany but I've tried different spellings in Google and it's not recognizing the place name (Reihnmahting??) Thanks for any help you can offer.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...53&pId=1312224

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uftcrtxyjl...ecord.png?dl=0

The first could be a H or a K, but the middle letter after the N is most likely a P.

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spurious Category Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24,000 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Online Teaching & Resources, Education, Teaching & Lecturing, Further Education (QQI) & PLC, Edu Mods	One of the parents was Church of Ireland as their marriage in 1856 is registered, but I don't know what the Latin phrase is. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....09/5446521.pdf Last edited by spurious; 27-01-2021 at 01:07.

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hammy007 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 65 Adverts \| Friends	Hi All- Can anyone decipher the nationality on line 80 for Georg Muggenthaler? I think they were from Wurttemberg, Germany but I've tried different spellings in Google and it's not recognizing the place name (Reihnmahting??) Thanks for any help you can offer. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...53&pId=1312224 https://www.dropbox.com/s/uftcrtxyjl...ecord.png?dl=0 Last edited by hammy007; 30-01-2021 at 12:33.

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26-01-2021, 11:06	#2536
The 90s Network Registered User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 10 Adverts \| Friends	Hi guys and Gals, Just started the family tree. Can anyone tell me the writing on No. 34 here is? A John O' Brien' Many thanks! https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....05/2329573.pdf

26-01-2021, 11:24	#2537
pinkypinky Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,703 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	Hmm, could be Breen, rather than Brien. Father, Richard, a miller Mother, Mary Clarke Moorstown?

26-01-2021, 14:11	#2538
spurious Category Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24,000 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Online Teaching & Resources, Education, Teaching & Lecturing, Further Education (QQI) & PLC, Edu Mods	There's a marriage for Richard Breen and Mary Clarke in Duleek 25 May 1861, if that is any connection?

26-01-2021, 14:25	#2539
Hermy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,402 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	Id go with Breen for the surname and Kilrush for the place. Moorstown is for the following entry #35.

26-01-2021, 21:24	#2541
Jellybaby_1 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 145 Adverts \| Friends	The latin note after the sponsor for Charles Ryan is Mater P?, Mother Protestant? https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy...5-1872_ba_0587

27-01-2021, 09:40	#2544
pinkypinky Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,703 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	It looks to be the same word written a couple of lines above, although in that case it refers to the father (Pater). I looked up that corresponding civil marriage in 1869 and he was a soldier. They married in Donnybrook parish church but the transcription doesn't specify a religion - one of those weird marriages where they don't show the actual page. No religious one to match on IG. Anyway, I'm rambling, but George was a Protestant.

27-01-2021, 20:21	#2547
Jellybaby_1 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 145 Adverts \| Friends	So is Protestare then Protestant? Honestly Its beginning to look like 'Probiotic' to me now.