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Germany: every petrol station must offer electric charging

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    Black_Knight
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    ted1 wrote: »
    I’ve a petrol car. Fully paid for. , don’t do much mileage. It’s a 2005. Forcing me to buy an EV would send 30,000 euro out if the country. That’s about 30+ years of oil.

    At the moment it makes no sense to force people to change

    Don't think anything would force you. Especially if you've low mileage. Price at the pumps wouldn't affect you much. When you want the change up your car though, you might think EV, you might be planning to spend 5-10-20-30k regardless of what powers the car.


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    ted1
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    Black_Knight wrote: »
    Sounds like we need to give more people an incentive to buy new EVs so there's a better second hand market... let's say... €10k off

    No, we need to get people out of private motor vehicles. EV’s do nothing to get rid of traffic. In fact as once you have one they are so cheap to run they might encourage people to drive more.


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    Black_Knight
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    ted1 wrote: »
    No, we need to get people out of private motor vehicles. EV’s do nothing to get rid of traffic. In fact as once you have one they are so cheap to run they might encourage people to drive more.

    Now you're just repeating yourself.


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    #35
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,008 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    ted1 wrote: »
    No, we need to get people out of private motor vehicles. EV’s do nothing to get rid of traffic. In fact as once you have one they are so cheap to run they might encourage people to drive more.
    I agree with the point about elasticity of demand, but the point about traffic is rather city centric. I haven't seen a traffic jam since I moved out of Dublin.

    I'm not campaigning for the removal of EV incentives for Dubs though, because as a means of substituting one new car purchase for another, they will still lead to some air quality improvements, although changing fuel taxes to incentize a switch back from diesel to petrol for all classes of vehicle might also be effective.


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    unkel
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    Lumen wrote: »
    I haven't seen a traffic jam since I moved out of Dublin.

    And perhaps the old traffic jams / brutal commute into the city centre of Dublin are now a thing of the past.


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    Gumbo
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    unkel wrote: »
    And perhaps the old traffic jams / brutal commute into the city centre of Dublin are now a thing of the past.

    Dublin traffic is back and it’s going to get a lot worse from tomorrow.
    Increase in businesses opening. Reduced public transport capacity. Less motor vehicle lanes in the city with wider paths and cycle tracks.

    It will be a nightmare. So much so that my city centre employer has told us not to come into the office and continue working from home. Sites will be visited directly from our homes and return back to our homes afterwards.


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    unkel
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    Gumbo wrote: »
    So much so that my city centre employer has told us not to come into the office and continue working from home. Sites will be visited directly from our homes and return back to our homes afterwards.

    That's my point. If only 20% of the people who used to commute into Dublin city centre on any given day now work from home, the traffic congestion is resolved. Time will tell. I guess it's a bit of wishful thinking from my part :)


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