Parking bays and rights

billyhead · 17-02-2019 6:24pm #1

Is there any law around this or can anyone park in them i.e if your neighbor constantly parks in the bay outside your house. The bays aren't marked as reserved and the bay outside my house has room for 2 cars but the neighbor at he corner house parks the 2 family cars they own their. Mine is an (end terrace). I don't drive by the way but I hate having to look at someone else's car out side the front window and its handy having the space free for the odd visitor.

Caranica · 17-02-2019 6:31pm

billyhead wrote: »

Is there any law around this or can anyone park in them i.e if your neighbor constantly parks in the bay outside your house. The bays aren't marked as reserved and the bay outside my house has room for 2 cars but the neighbor at he corner house parks the 2 family cars they own their. Mine is an (end terrace). I don't drive by the way but I hate having to look at someone else's car out side the front window and its handy having the space free for the odd visitor.

Are you in a managed development?

billyhead · 17-02-2019 6:36pm

Caranica wrote: »

Are you in a managed development?

The county Council manage it as far as I know

endacl · 17-02-2019 6:39pm

You want two parking spaces you don’t have a use for left unused because you don’t use them?

Weird...

amcalester · 17-02-2019 6:43pm

Do you own or rent the bays?

If you don’t and it’s not private property then anyone can park there.

Effects · 17-02-2019 6:46pm

amcalester wrote: »

Do you own or rent the bays?

If you don’t and it’s private property then anyone can park there.

Sounds like it's a public road, not private property, and anyone can park there.

Effects · 17-02-2019 6:47pm

billyhead wrote: »

The neighbor at he corner house parks the 2 family cars they own their. Mine is an (end terrace).

Who parks outside your neighbours house?

I'm sure your neighbour probably knows you don't have a car, so doesn't think it's a problem parking outside your house.

Sleeper12 · 17-02-2019 6:48pm

billyhead wrote:

The county Council manage it as far as I know

If it's a public road then any taxed & insured car can park there. Even if you did own a car you still don't have a legal right to park outside your own house on the public road.

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-02-2019 6:48pm

Effects wrote: »

Who parks outside your neighbours house?

I'm sure your neighbour probably knows you don't have a car, so doesn't think it's a problem parking outside your house.

Becomes a problem if they ever get a car though because you can be sure they won't stop there and then.

Edit - ah, public road. It's all fair game then.

Benny Biscotti · 17-02-2019 6:51pm

endacl wrote: »

You want two parking spaces you don’t have a use for left unused because you don’t use them?

Weird...

The only concern I would have if i was in the ops position would be if a storm blew off a roof slate damaging the car parked infront would I be liable?

stampydmonkey · 17-02-2019 6:53pm

If the estates taken in charge by the council..it's a free for all (provided the cars taxed and insured).

If the estates still private and spaces aren't assigned, or rented out by the owner, then again it's a free for all.

Not a lot you can do unless the spots are assigned to your address unfortunately.

You could throw bread crumbs all over the cars every morning, birds would destroy the cars in birdsheet..they may take the hint !

Sleeper12 · 17-02-2019 6:53pm

Benny Biscotti wrote:

The only concern I would have if i was in the ops position would be if a storm blew off a roof slate damaging the car parked infront would I be liable?

That's an Act of god. Car insurance covers damage like this.

amcalester · 17-02-2019 7:15pm

Effects wrote: »

Sounds like it's a public road, not private property, and anyone can park there.

Yes, post should have been not private property. I’ve edited it now.

billyhead · 17-02-2019 7:29pm

endacl wrote: »

You want two parking spaces you don’t have a use for left unused because you don’t use them?

Weird...

Its only one space that I feel should be kept free i.e the one directly outside the house. I have no problem with the other space at the end being occupied. Also just to be clear these are off street parking bays.

salmocab · 17-02-2019 7:33pm

billyhead wrote: »

Its only one space that I feel should be kept free i.e the one directly outside the house. I have no problem with the other space at the end being occupied.

It sounds most likely that you have no rights to those spots and anyone is entitled to park there.

Gumbo · 17-02-2019 7:59pm

billyhead wrote: »

Is there any law around this or can anyone park in them i.e if your neighbor constantly parks in the bay outside your house. The bays aren't marked as reserved and the bay outside my house has room for 2 cars but the neighbor at he corner house parks the 2 family cars they own their. Mine is an (end terrace). I don't drive by the way but I hate having to look at someone else's car out side the front window and its handy having the space free for the odd visitor.

Unmarked and not reserved = first come first served.

doolox · 17-02-2019 8:00pm

As far as I know you have to erect signage in such bays in order to avoid random members of the public or neighbours parking in these bays. Private developments have to have gates or other indicators of privacy such as house numbers and warning signs giving members of the driving public fair warning of clamping or other control measures or penalties which may apply in the event of unauthorised parking.

I remember visits to my sisters house in Castleknock being dampened by disputes with entitled neighbours wanting me to move my car from the public road. My sister does not have a car and does not drive and some of her neighbours used the space outside her front garden to park their cars. I would park up in the space if it was free only to be confronted later on in the visit by an irate car owner who thought he was entitled to exclusive use of a specified space on a public road. These people would have the cheek to knock on the door of my sisters house and demand movement of my car!!!

My sister would inform me that some families in the area had three cars or more in each house and parking spaces were scarce and continually fought over between neighbours and their visitors at frequent times. The driveways could accommodate only two cars end to end with an overhang onto the public footpath which was also bitterly contested by pedestrians up and down her road.

On one extreme occasion my sisters driveway was used for parking by complete strangers without her permission which caused her great anger.

I foresee this becoming a bigger problem in the future as car ownership increases and multigenerational housing ( adult children and lodgers staying with parents) becomes increasingly common. House shares will also increase problems with parking as Ireland moves from one/two car houses to more than two.

More work for driveway builders.

Gumbo · 17-02-2019 8:02pm

billyhead wrote: »

Its only one space that I feel should be kept free i.e the one directly outside the house. I have no problem with the other space at the end being occupied. Also just to be clear these are off street parking bays.

Can you post a picture?
Off street usually means private, so something is not adding up here....

Mrs OBumble · 17-02-2019 8:06pm

billyhead wrote: »

Its only one space that I feel should be kept free i.e the one directly outside the house.

You need to upgrade to a better gaff, where you own the road outside it and so can control what the riff-raff do.

rightmove · 17-02-2019 8:41pm

Had similar issue , 6 houses 12 spaces. You'd think logic would work . It didn't...if spaces are dedicated/designated but not owned you have no right to stop anyone parking there or expectation that ppl will understand common senses.

DoozerT6 · 17-02-2019 8:50pm

kceire wrote: »

Can you post a picture?
Off street usually means private, so something is not adding up here....

I would imagine the OP lives in a development where there are no front gardens, just open, cobble-locked parking spaces lined up perpendicular to the fronts of the houses, but you have to swing OFF the actual road into one of these spaces, as you would into say, a front garden, to park.

Unless I was absolutely desperate, I wouldn't buy in a development like that, for exactly the reasons the OP outlined. I live in an apartment and fortunately there are no parking issues here, but if I ever buy a house I would hope to be able to buy one with at least my own driveway to park in.

Not sure of the legalities, but unless the spaces are numbered for each house, I think it may be something you may have to make your peace with.

markpb · 17-02-2019 8:53pm

Benny Biscotti wrote: »

The only concern I would have if i was in the ops position would be if a storm blew off a roof slate damaging the car parked infront would I be liable?

That has nothing to do with parking. What would happen if a slate blew off their house some someone was walking or driving past?

4ensic15 · 17-02-2019 8:57pm

markpb wrote: »

That has nothing to do with parking. What would happen if a slate blew off their house some someone was walking or driving past?

The householder would inform his house insurance that a claim under the public liability section of the house in insurance is in prospect.

amcalester · 17-02-2019 8:57pm

DoozerT6 wrote: »

I would imagine the OP lives in a development where there are no front gardens, just open, cobble-locked parking spaces lined up perpendicular to the fronts of the houses, but you have to swing OFF the actual road into one of these spaces, as you would into say, a front garden, to park.

Unless I was absolutely desperate, I wouldn't buy in a development like that, for exactly the reasons the OP outlined. I live in an apartment and fortunately there are no parking issues here, but if I ever buy a house I would hope to be able to buy one with at least my own driveway to park in.

Not sure of the legalities, but unless the spaces are numbered for each house, I think it may be something you may have to make your peace with.

I live in one of these and own the space out to the footpath. There’s parking for 2 cars perpendicular to the house and then a footpath. There’s no numbers but anyone who parked there would be politely told not to do it again.

I wouldn’t be so polite the second time.

doolox · 17-02-2019 9:04pm

....in Adamstown and would be wary of buying there for that very reason.

If there are no walls and fences and gates and a clearly defined footpath to designate the border between private and common space then selfish, entitled people will drop their cars anywhere they feel like and the owner of the house can go swing for all they care.

The access roads are tiny and there does not seem to be any clearly defined marking between public and private space in the front of the houses in Adamstown so no way of guaranteeing you will get a space if you come home late and the noisy neighbours hold a party that night........

AndrewJRenko · 17-02-2019 9:04pm

I suppose that the more interesting question is why we allocate so much public space for storage of private property.

salmocab · 17-02-2019 9:24pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I suppose that the more interesting question is why we allocate so much public space for storage of private property.

Cyclist I take it?

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-02-2019 9:25pm

salmocab wrote: »

Cyclist I take it?

The king of the cyclists. Everything is wrong unless it's cycling.

Be prepared to be constantly asked to post evidence of your sources for anything you've posted in this thread in 3....2....1....

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Gumbo · 17-02-2019 9:30pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I suppose that the more interesting question is why we allocate so much public space for storage of private property.

At some stage, it would have been a private development. Only the public roads, open spaces and paths would be handed over.

So not really an interesting question at all.

Effects · 17-02-2019 9:53pm

Is it something like this:

I've parked at this spot a few times, only to be told I'll be clamped and they made a big show of writing down my reg.
If they wanted private parking outside their door then they should have paid for it, like everyone else.

billyhead · 17-02-2019 10:08pm

Effects wrote: »

Is it something like this:

I've parked at this spot a few times, only to be told I'll be clamped and they made a big show of writing down my reg.
If they wanted private parking outside their door then they should have paid for it, like everyone else.

Its similar. The difference is there are no white lines, the parking is perpendicular to fit 2 cars only and the footpath would be narrower.

Parking bays and rights

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