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  • #5762
    trixi2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭trixi2011


    Scanned here a few weeks ago alot of cows held to ai , young herd seem to exceptional fertility only 13 % outside of first 6 weeks . Have 2 12 year old cows which have held to fresh sexed semen . Heifers nearly 70% have held to sexed seamen off a cider program. Bulls still running with the cows hoping to get down to 2/3 % empty and sell on the summer Calvers before dry off


  • #5763
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    https://twitter.com/TeagascKyLk/status/1163840533544001538?s=19


  • #5764
    Timmaay
    Registered Users Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Direct drilling grass seed in say early sept, I remember afew yrs ago it was very hit and miss this time of the year, has it become more reliable? Or am I better off afew runs of the disc harrow?


  • #5765
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Direct drilling grass seed in say early sept, I remember afew yrs ago it was very hit and miss this time of the year, has it become more reliable? Or am I better off afew runs of the disc harrow?

    Depends on the year really


  • #5766
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,072 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    50% of my autumn calving heifers calved today. I only have 2 :) a one ball Hereford had the rest of them in calf before they should have been


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  • #5767
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,072 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Direct drilling grass seed in say early sept, I remember afew yrs ago it was very hit and miss this time of the year, has it become more reliable? Or am I better off afew runs of the disc harrow?

    I used to do it in late September after I cut my triticale and lupins. Worked ok for me


  • #5768
    Timmaay
    Registered Users Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Depends on the year really

    Why?


  • #5769
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Why?

    If really dry then the slugs may look for refuge in the slot and follow it up and devour the seeds. Slug pellets aren't as good these days.


  • #5770
    freedominacup
    Registered Users Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TeagascKyLk/status/1163840533544001538?s=19

    So a bit behind good grass silage. With the added kicker of a bunch of extra N masquerading as protein.


  • #5771
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,449 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    freedominacup wrote: »
    So a bit behind good grass silage. With the added kicker of a bunch of extra N masquerading as protein.

    You’d have to laugh at the new measures re protein in meal levels for derogation farms, when for a good portion of the year the grass their eating is testing like the above


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  • #5772
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    freedominacup wrote: »
    So a bit behind good grass silage. With the added kicker of a bunch of extra N masquerading as protein.

    Looking at the DM% there, I'd say the grass is under a bit of pressure from the weather.

    We used a 16% DM yesterday and it probably was even a bit higher than that so I wouldn't take that result as gospel for grass analysis for this time of the year but probably not far off what a lot of lads on heavy ground have to deal with atm?


  • #5773
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Looking at the DM% there, I'd say the grass is under a bit of pressure from the weather.

    We used a 16% DM yesterday and it probably was even a bit higher than that so I wouldn't take that result as gospel for grass analysis for this time of the year but probably not far off what a lot of lads on heavy ground have to deal with atm?

    Did ye check the DM or estimate? I think from now on it's lower than what you'd think.


  • #5774
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Did ye check the DM or estimate? I think from now on it's lower than what you'd think.

    No, we didn't do a check. It had rained earlier in the morning so the DM would be a bit lower than what we were looking at but the grass was only slightly damp at the base. And ground wasn't being marked at all round here yet.

    I'm only a short distance from the farm and we're both finding trouble getting cattle to clean out in the allocated time, there's definitely more grass in the paddocks than a 16% DM would suggest?


  • #5775
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    freedominacup wrote: »
    So a bit behind good grass silage. With the added kicker of a bunch of extra N masquerading as protein.

    You wouldn't be able to feed cows solely on the type of grass silage you're talking about unless you were in an indoor system like the north or uk


  • #5776
    freedominacup
    Registered Users Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    You wouldn't be able to feed cows solely on the type of grass silage you're talking about unless you were in an indoor system like the north or uk

    How do you mean?


  • #5777
    Signpost
    Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Signpost


    2 high cell count cows for the factory tomorrow and 1 landed to the parlour missing a tag tonight. Any point turning up with her tomorrow?


  • #5778
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,072 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Signpost wrote: »
    2 high cell count cows for the factory tomorrow and 1 landed to the parlour missing a tag tonight. Any point turning up with her tomorrow?

    Will be ok with 1 tag


  • #5779
    Signpost
    Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Signpost


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Will be ok with 1 tag

    O thank god, bad enough milking them without having to dump it ðŸ‘


  • #5780
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    freedominacup wrote: »
    How do you mean?

    No real point in your comparison of high quality grass silage vs grazed grass now unless you had them indoors full time on that type of silage.
    What's the trade off then with what you'll gain vs costs of making that silage and extra costs of having cows indoors


  • #5781
    freedominacup
    Registered Users Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    No real point in your comparison of high quality grass silage vs grazed grass now unless you had them indoors full time on that type of silage.
    What's the trade off then with what you'll gain vs costs of making that silage and extra costs of having cows indoors

    In my case they've been on it for 6 weeks at this stage. Generally around 25% of forage intake over that period. Yields would have collapsed without it or a similar quality replacement. Just coming back to a slight surplus in gr this week. Less than 50 units of N per cut. Generally around €80 per acre harvesting charge incl tedding. The trade off is that there is no push on us to put cows out in spring or backend if conditions aren't right. Actually hard to maintain yields in early part of the spring when they are out because there's better quality feed available indoors. Imo there's no upside to making poorer quality silage.


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  • #5782
    Injuryprone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    Injuryprone wrote: »
    Anyone else seeing a poor response to KAN+S? I've paddocks grazed over 3 weeks ago, fertilized with 25 units about 18 days ago and there's hardly a cover of 500 in between the dungpads and the grass is gone yellow looking. It's what I'd expect to see if I put out no fertilizer.
    Luckily this ground isn't needed for grazing this time round as the first cut ground has taken its place in the rotation
    Well at least it's not just me.....some consolation I suppose
    https://twitter.com/NeilOSuileabhai/status/1164439358734295046?s=09


  • #5783
    cute geoge
    Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    What is this kan and Gen 38n nitrogen .The grass looks pretty perished anyway .When all is said and done there is no getting away from the good results of spreading pasture sward .Even this year when growth was reasonable i had only average growth from spreading can and urea at various stages of year


  • #5784
    greenfield21
    Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Just on fert it looks like urea/nitr is going to come down in price, any thoughts.Think this was year for buy as you need it.


  • #5785
    Keepgrowing
    Registered Users Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Keepgrowing


    cute geoge wrote: »
    What is this kan and Gen 38n nitrogen .The grass looks pretty perished anyway .When all is said and done there is no getting away from the good results of spreading pasture sward .Even this year when growth was reasonable i had only average growth from spreading can and urea at various stages of year

    I agree on the KaN. I found the Grassland Agro protected Urea far superior


  • #5786
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Does lime application affect protected urea in the same way it does regular urea?


  • #5787
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,072 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Does anyone have either of these ?


  • #5788
    visatorro
    Registered Users Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭visatorro


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Does anyone have either of these ?

    No but was on a farm lately with easy fix mattress. Was very impressed. He had the plastic/rubber cubicle as well. Bigger cows then mine but was a super comfy set up for cows.
    I have mayo mats. In ten years. I think they are gone hard and aren't as comfortable as they used to be.


  • #5789
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    55 acres knocked, 40 for pit if it will fit and 15 for bales. Sick and tire of waiting for weather so chanced it away.


  • #5790
    jaymla627
    Registered Users Posts: 6,449 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    visatorro wrote: »
    No but was on a farm lately with easy fix mattress. Was very impressed. He had the plastic/rubber cubicle as well. Bigger cows then mine but was a super comfy set up for cows.
    I have mayo mats. In ten years. I think they are gone hard and aren't as comfortable as they used to be.

    Their the only job, some price though ole chap had a meltdown when he spotted the invoice for them when they where put in here, after the cows done the winter in the shed with them he said it was money well spent


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  • #5791
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Mooooo wrote: »
    55 acres knocked, 40 for pit if it will fit and 15 for bales. Sick and tire of waiting for weather so chanced it away.

    Going cutting tomorrow myself


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