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ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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  • #1022
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    there are 3 Shamima Begums born in Tower Hamlets in 1999.

    And if you get a copy of the birth certificates, you can easily see if any of them is this Shamima Begum. AFAIK, she was indeed born in Tower Hamlets and even if she wasn't, she was a British citizen either way. I don't see how it makes any difference to whether or not her citizenship can be revoked.


  • #1023
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Uncharted wrote: »
    :pac:


    "SUSPECTED" of being a member??

    She declared publicly where her loyalties were.

    Suspicion my arse.

    She's scum.
    Let her rot in a flea pit with her beloved ilk.

    In that case should Ireland revoke the citizenship of everyone who was definitely a member of the IRA. And the same with the UK.


  • #1024
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I dont see anything to suggest that she was born in Bangladesh. And that would have no bearing on whether they are able to revoke it.
    ..

    I'm sure she will be happy in Bangladesh. She has made her bed. If ISIS had won she would be out on the streets waving the black flags


  • #1025
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Grayson wrote: »
    In that case should Ireland revoke the citizenship of everyone who was definitely a member of the IRA. And the same with the UK.

    How is this remotely the same? IRA members weren't fighting against Ireland, and I don't think you'd find many of them willingly holding a British passport.


  • #1026
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    On the off chance she would be returned to UK there's a good chance she could be charged with treason.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/10-crimes-that-are-still-considered-treason-in-the-145300595.html?guccounter=1

    So freedom in Bangladesh or a prison in the UK.


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  • #1027
    Uncharted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    Grayson wrote: »
    In that case should Ireland revoke the citizenship of everyone who was definitely a member of the IRA. And the same with the UK.

    Continue at your leisure to try drag this down a rabbit hole.


    You're just giving people like this vile woman an easy out.
    Namby pamby crap.

    Why do you and some other posters continue to try defend this woman and her actions?

    Her ideologies are pure cancer to the pillars of our society.

    Still you will defend her???


  • #1028
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,486 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    So now its Britain's fault she joined ISIS?
    Laughable!

    No. Obviously not. But there certainly are culpable.

    Why if anything else would the Met have to issue an apology?


  • #1029
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    She was born and raised and subsequently groomed and radicalized in Britain.

    A Home Affairs Select Committee found there were failings in preventing this radicalization. The Met had to apologize to her parents, there is still major questions over how 4 children from the same school were groomed, radicalized and allowed leave the country.

    That's before we even delve into the UK's colorful foreign policy which directly cluster fooked large parts of the region she traveled to.

    So tell me again why Britain should not bare some blame, or more importantly why the fook Bangladesh should take responsibility?

    She was born to a mother and father and raised by a mother and father. Where the **** is their parental responsibility in all this?


  • #1030
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,204 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Loving the way everyone piles in on a 19 year easy target but nothing being done about the preachers and hate peddlers in the Mosques. Should they be kicked out and to where? Where do you draw the line?


  • #1031
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Loving the way everyone piles in on a 19 year easy target but nothing being done about the preachers and hate peddlers in the Mosques. Should they be kicked out and to where? Where do you draw the line?

    If they have dual-citizenship and break the law of the land they too can have their UK citizenship stripped and be deported.


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  • #1032
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Boggles wrote: »
    No. Obviously not. But there certainly are culpable.

    Why if anything else would the Met have to issue an apology?

    How are they culpable? They accept immigrants from third world countries, provide them with council housing and government benefits, and it's somehow their own fault if some of them grow up hating the west? Funny how the vast majority of British born Muslims are perfectly capable of being upstanding citizens and contributing positively to society.


  • #1033
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,486 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    She was born to a mother and father and raised by a mother and father. Where the **** is their parental responsibility in all this?

    Well that's why the Met needed to say sorry to her parents, they never informed them of their suspicions.


  • #1034
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    Well that's why the Met needed to say sorry to her parents, they never informed them of their suspicions.

    Rewind for me because I don’t know all the ins and outs.

    When did the met have these suspicions and were they only suspicions?


  • #1035
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Loving the way everyone piles in on a 19 year easy target but nothing being done about the preachers and hate peddlers in the Mosques. Should they be kicked out and to where? Where do you draw the line?

    Someone’s always got to be the first.

    How many preachers and hate peddlers in mosques can claim more than just British citizenship I wonder?


  • #1036
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Boggles wrote: »
    No. Obviously not. But there certainly are culpable.

    Why if anything else would the Met have to issue an apology?

    Laughable again. Mealy mouthed liberal leftie speak.

    They are not to blame but they are certainly culpable. Its impossible to stop every person travelling to the middle east or Turkey. If the intelligence or police services tried this, the complaint would be about heavy handed tactics, etc.

    No they are not. Leave it to some people long enough and this woman will be an innocent victim of British something or other, who should be welcomed back with open arms and allowed to live freely among the community and do and say whatever she wants. She's clearly said she has no regrets and the only remorse she has is for her own situation. If she is allowed back in, other young impressionable Muslim girls will think she is great. At the moment they think she is a loser who got involved with the wrong crowd.

    Its sad that some would welcome back ISIS followers when clearly these ISIS followers show no remorse and would be keen to continue the fight on the streets of Western Europe. These ISIS followers cannot be reformed, the brainwashing has gone too deep.


  • #1037
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Would internment be an option?

    That doesn't really work, look at our own history in this regard with Britain.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #1038
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,486 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    When did the met have these suspicions and were they only suspicions?

    Here is the report on the back of it. If you have time to read it.

    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmhaff/135/135.pdf

    Basically the school was targeted, 4 made it to Syria - 2 are now dead, 5 subsequently had to be put on no fly lists.

    There is a lot of unanswered questions stemming from the whole debacle.

    The school lawyer-ed up and the police say it's still an active investigation.


  • #1039
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Sometimes you gotta ask "what would Putin do?"

    I detest how soft we are in the West.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #1040
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Edgware wrote: »
    ..

    I'm sure she will be happy in Bangladesh. She has made her bed. If ISIS had won she would be out on the streets waving the black flags

    Why should Bangladesh take her?


  • #1041
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Why should Bangladesh take her?

    Why shouldn't they? She's a citizen and she hasn't committed acts of terrorism against them.


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  • #1042
    Laneyh
    Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭Laneyh


    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    Why should Bangladesh take her?

    They might not but she has dual citizenship so that is why Bangladesh is being suggested.
    It made things easier for UK officials as denying her right to return does not leave her stateless


  • #1043
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Loving the way everyone piles in on a 19 year easy target but nothing being done about the preachers and hate peddlers in the Mosques. Should they be kicked out and to where? Where do you draw the line?

    Whats your next line? She had a poor upbringing, abused as a child, OFFS


  • #1044
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Boggles wrote: »
    Here is the report on the back of it. If you have time to read it.

    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmhaff/135/135.pdf

    Basically the school was targeted, 4 made it to Syria - 2 are now dead, 5 subsequently had to be put on no fly lists.

    There is a lot of unanswered questions stemming from the whole debacle.

    The school lawyer-ed up and the police say it's still an active investigation.

    The only solution then is to put every Muslim on a no fly list. Because that's basically the only way to stop a disaffected Muslim teenager or any Muslim flying to the middle east to join a terrorist group.

    I'd love to see the Liberal Left's reaction to that!


  • #1045
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,486 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    The only solution then is to put every Muslim on a no fly list. Because that's basically the only way to stop a disaffected Muslim teenager or any Muslim flying to the middle east to join a terrorist group.

    I'd love to see the Liberal Left's reaction to that!

    Are you just copying and pasting from the dailymail comment section at this stage?


  • #1046
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    The Dutch should shut the door on her too


  • #1047
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    Boggles wrote: »
    Are you just copying and pasting from the dailymail comment section at this stage?

    Nope. I'm just taking what you are saying to its logical conclusion. There's a couple million Muslims in Britain. No-one knows who is radicalized and who is not. Many of them come from the middle east and travel there on a regular basis. Some can become radicalized by watching a youtube video or two in the safety of their home, or by private messages on facebook. The intelligence services do their best but they can't watch everyone.


  • #1048
    lainey_d_123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭lainey_d_123


    Rodin wrote: »
    The Dutch should shut the door on her too

    It's the sense of entitlement that gets me. The sheer balls on her to think she can fcuk off to Syria and then waltz back in when it suits her. Now she's talking about Holland as if she thinks they'll welcome her in. In that sense, she's every bit the typical overconfident, overindulged British teenager I used to teach in London. Zero self awareness and zero sense of responsibility for her actions.


  • #1049
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 6,951 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Rewind for me because I don’t know all the ins and outs.

    When did the met have these suspicions and were they only suspicions?

    The school sent home a letter via the pupils themselves to warn the parents of some level of radicalisation. Allegedly the letter was found in her schoolbag after she left, and the parents denied having seen it.


  • #1050
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,568 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47301623

    she found the Home Office's decision "heartbreaking",


    But watching her husband chopping of the heads of innocent people, that was fine, she wasn't bother by it so she said. But this, this decision, ''heartbreaking''


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  • #1051
    Uncharted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    Im fed up of the bleeding heart liberals bleating about her "rights".


    Cannon fire the bitch and anyone who thinks she an "innocent kid" into a volcano.


    Good riddance.


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