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16-09-2018, 22:51   #1
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The Joker movie - starring Joaquin Phoenix (MOD: May contain Spoilers)

First official image of Pheonix as Joker has just been released...




I like the look, but have to laugh and agree with the 'No Gotham For Old Men' comments which are doing the rounds online.

Directed by Todd Phillips.

Due for release October 4th, 2019

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Had no idea this was in production. What an odd project.
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Had no idea this was in production. What an odd project.
It's odd considering the gargantuan mess which is currently DC/WB's big screen ventures. They don't know what they want to do apart from make billions of dollars with these characters. They can see their end, but appear to have no idea how to go about the means.

However, the idea of a stand-alone Joker movie does interest me, especially once it isn't Leto and that damaged Joker. Leto has good chops, but that SS movie and Joker interpretation has forever ruined him as Joker for me.

Pheonix seems to be cut from a similar cloth to other actors like Bale and Day Lewis, who absolutely devote themselves to a role. I love what he did with the iconic Johnny Cash in Walk The Line, I'm very interested to see what he does with this iconic fictional character.

My only reservation so far is the director Todd Phillips. Tbf, he directed one of my favourite comedies ever in Old School, but for a gritty Joker deconstruction I would prefer to see a more dramatic and reputable director in the genre brought in for this.

Also, the promo image above is one thing, but I really hope this Joker isn't just Anton Chigurh with a different name.

Here is some more general info about the movie, but story details are scarce so far...

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/j...te-1202877605/
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So WB have thrown $55 million to Todd Phillips to make a Joker gangster / scorsece film; if they manage to keep a hands off approach it could be a way back into good graces. The mega blockbuster format wasn't sustainable or working and taking the opposite tactic might be the path forward. Keep the budgets under 100 million ala deadpool or jumanji

If WB can resist panicky reshoots seeing the first drafts - which tends to happen when studios give free reign to a creative team - it may be a profitable number (and if it's any good of course)
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Starring Joaquin Phoenix =
Directed by Todd Phillips = :/
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16-09-2018, 23:30   #6
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I'm assuming they've hired War Dogs Todd Philips and not Road Trip Todd Philips. I didn't particularly like War Dogs either and I don't see how it would indicate he could do a good Joker movie either.
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Todd Phillips is an interesting choice as he is known for comedies

Robert De Niro is in talks to join Spoiler: as a talk-show host who plays a part in driving Phoenix’s character to go mad and become the Clown Prince of Crime. According to insiders, the script has ties to De Niro’s film “King of Comedy,” about a failing comedian (De Niro) who kidnaps a popular talk-show host to gain fame. In this case, the roles would be reversed, with De Niro playing the smug host

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I think, with the right script, Phoenix can do this - he was born to play damaged individuals

And ironically, when Ledger was cast as the Joker by Nolan I had a nerd fit, mainly because I was only familiar with his teen romance films like 10 Things..... was very pleased to be totally and utterly wrong

Even when Leto was cast in SS I reserved judgement because sometimes, only sometimes as evidenced by SS, the actor will nail it
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Joaquin Phoenix is probably the best character actor there is at the moment and I dont think he'd sign up without being sold on the story by the director so I have high hopes for this.
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I swear, this was literally what I heard on first impression
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So WB have thrown $55 million to Todd Phillips to make a Joker gangster / scorsece film; if they manage to keep a hands off approach it could be a way back into good graces. The mega blockbuster format wasn't sustainable or working and taking the opposite tactic might be the path forward. Keep the budgets under 100 million ala deadpool or jumanji

If WB can resist panicky reshoots seeing the first drafts - which tends to happen when studios give free reign to a creative team - it may be a profitable number (and if it's any good of course)

I agree with the rest of your post, and on the Scorsese thing - That's what I would expect them to do. However, I was thinking more like Goodfellas or Casino-style Scorsese, not Spoiler: The King of Comedy...


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Todd Phillips is an interesting choice as he is known for comedies

Robert De Niro is in talks to join Spoiler: as a talk-show host who plays a part in driving Phoenix’s character to go mad and become the Clown Prince of Crime. According to insiders, the script has ties to De Niro’s film “King of Comedy,” about a failing comedian (De Niro) who kidnaps a popular talk-show host to gain fame. In this case, the roles would be reversed, with De Niro playing the smug host

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/j...to-1202943732/
That's really interesting. I happen to love that movie in the spoilers, and feel that some of its themes are even more relevant today.

However, similar to 'I hope this isn't just Joker as Anton Chigurh', I really hope that this isn't just a remake of Spoiler: The King of Comedy with a different ending.

Here is some leaked set-footage. Apparently, Joker's name before he becomes Joker will be Spoiler: Arthur Fleck, so I guess that's who we're looking at in this video. Todd Phillips originally released the Joaqer image on his Instagram with the name Spoiler: Arthur in the text.


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Wow, a lot more information in this article which might be too much for some people looking to remain completely spoiler-free. No deaths or anything like that, but plot points and casting news about specific roles, enough info to guess what kind of way they're going to go with this Joker origin.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/t...tory-plot-news

Todd Phillips wrote the script with a guy called Scott Silver whose other writing credits include The Fighter, The Finest Hours and 8 Mile. That's a mixed enough bag, still though, it's nowhere near as ominous as Akiva Goldsmith adapting my beloved Dark Tower book series.

Going back to Scorsese for a moment, he is actually on board for this movie as producer. I know it's early but I'm getting strong vibes that this will be a mixture of Spoiler: The Killing Joke and the King of Comedy

It could be good if done right. Given his hand in the story and direction, Todd Phillips is the wildcard though and will make or break this movie.*

*Given that WB give him full creative control, or don't David Ayer him. I suspect that since this is not a movie to launch or save an extended universe and that the budget is 'only' $50m, there is a chance the studio execs might let the creatives do their thing.
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War Dogs was OK, but I'll never be able to overlook the absolute mess he made of Hangover 3 in trying to create a thriller-comedy-drama....
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The first images I seen of this, considering I ddint know anything about it until last night, Phoenix looked very like Day Lewis, I had to do a double take.
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