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Terrified of flying

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,684 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    valoren wrote: »
    Imagine winning the euromillions and then when you flew out to buy an 'island for Ireland' you were killed in the plane crash :D

    Isn't it ironic, don't you think?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    I have never been in a plane and am pretty sure I never will. I feel like it's the lack of control that gets me.

    I've even dreamed of somehow getting over my fear of it and going on flights and being so satisfied and proud of myself... and then I wake up and I didn't do it. Or one time I dreamed the flight was fine... but then I had to go back again and I think it crashed on the way back or something.

    It's a perfectly rational fear. It's actually irksome to me how websites try to portray it as some kind of horribly abnormal and irrational syndrome - it's NOT. I suspect those websites might be written in part by the airline industry (or parroted from something that was).

    ok like, I know that there is an extremely low risk of death. However first of all the odds don't really show the whole picture as you usually (but not always) have to be doing something stupid in a car to die. Secondly, we do choose what risks we like to take and what ones we don't like to take all the time. If you have a fear of getting lung cancer you're likely to avoid paint fumes like the plague, even if the risk is incredibly low it's your choice to avoid it. We all balance risks all the time. What about people who buy lottory tickets in the hope they win? Going on an aeroplane journey is like buying a lottory ticket, but if you lose you die.

    Stats and facts would disagree with you there.

    Or some other idiot on the road, you can be the best driver in the world and some muppet can crash into you - happens a lot more then any air incidents.

    You would need to fly every day for ~10,000 years to approach a probability of 1 of dying.

    It is an irrational fear.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    So, yeah, I organised to get to Amsterdam with boats and trains, but my boat was cancelled. My only choice was fly or don't go

    So now I am in the airport bar. Please don't leave me alone with my own thoughts...

    A few doubles of jack Daniels and some xanax.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭Doylers


    I'll tell you a tale:

    At 15 I became afraid of flying, was never great to start with but at 15 I stopped flying completely, oh and lifts wouldn't use them either!

    About 2 years ago I had a think and decided I needed to try fix this fear as im 26 now and its impacting my life. So I began by going to the doctor and asking for pills, im not a fan of taking stuff but you have to do it sometimes. He superscribed clonazepam, at .25 dose.

    I decided to tackle lifts first to see how it goes. So one day I took 3 pills and off I went. I got in a lift and WAS FINE! Said to myself well lets keep going, so I then wondered dublin city for 2 hours taking every lift I could find lol The next day in work I took a single pill got in the lift went up and down twice.... fine. I then stopped taking pills and over the coming days I got better and better.

    With that success I wanted to tackle flying, but flying is a much bigger beast so I needed to make myself feel safe as much as possible. With that I signed up for counselling just to talk things out and work on how to deal with emotions which continued for 6 weeks, one perweek. For the first flight I went to liverpool where I spent 3 hours and came back lol I took so many pills I cant remember much of it........ but that was fine I did it at least.

    From then on I flew every month going further and further slowing reducing the amount I took from 5 to the point where I flew to Canada last summer and didnt need any pills and was fine(mostly). Then about two months ago I decided to learn to fly, so far I've 5 hours experience and am booking more and more.

    I think the lesson I learned is that we hype this **** so much in our heads which is what makes it hard. And it can be done and is worth it!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    when I wasaged about 20 and flying light aircraft, a wealthy businessman with a terrible fear of flying came along and took lessons and got his license. He had developed such a phobia that he could no longer board an airliner, so wanted to overcome it. Alas, he became ever more fearful of taking business trips on Aer Lingus, BA etc, so bought his own executive aircraft and flew himself to business meetings forever more, and would never ever board an aircraft with someone else attnd driving seat! He was a man who needed to be control, rather than gaining any realisation of more inherent dangers of flying. I used to lining up behind him for take-off, I’d be off for a few circuits of the field or Edenderry at furthest, he’d be off to London or Paris in his solid little twin.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,975 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Doylers wrote: »
    I'll tell you a tale:

    At 15 I became afraid of flying, was never great to start with but at 15 I stopped flying completely, oh and lifts wouldn't use them either!

    About 2 years ago I had a think and decided I needed to try fix this fear as im 26 now and its impacting my life. So I began by going to the doctor and asking for pills, im not a fan of taking stuff but you have to do it sometimes. He superscribed clonazepam, at .25 dose.

    I decided to tackle lifts first to see how it goes. So one day I took 3 pills and off I went. I got in a lift and WAS FINE! Said to myself well lets keep going, so I then wondered dublin city for 2 hours taking every lift I could find lol The next day in work I took a single pill got in the lift went up and down twice.... fine. I then stopped taking pills and over the coming days I got better and better.

    With that success I wanted to tackle flying, but flying is a much bigger beast so I needed to make myself feel safe as much as possible. With that I signed up for counselling just to talk things out and work on how to deal with emotions which continued for 6 weeks, one perweek. For the first flight I went to liverpool where I spent 3 hours and came back lol I took so many pills I cant remember much of it........ but that was fine I did it at least.

    From then on I flew every month going further and further slowing reducing the amount I took from 5 to the point where I flew to Canada last summer and didnt need any pills and was fine(mostly). Then about two months ago I decided to learn to fly, so far I've 5 hours experience and am booking more and more.

    I think the lesson I learned is that we hype this **** so much in our heads which is what makes it hard. And it can be done and is worth it!

    No harm, but if I had to take that many pills to fly, I'd probably never do it.

    I used to be a great flyer when I first started, and got gradually worse as the years passed.

    I'm not mad keen on it now, but do it whenever I have to, like family holidays abroad. It always works out fine.

    Its one of those things that people simply have an irrational fear of. Will always be like that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    I have arrived. I am inordinately pleased with myself. I did consider not getting in the plane when it became clear that I had no headphones.

    Well done, fair play to you!


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    I loathe most airports and I hate bad turbulence, but I'm amazed at the sheer number of people who are petrified of flying.

    I myself like flying and always try to get a window seat so I can look down on the world as it passes below.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,727 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    I love flying, long flights over sea/ocean are a bit of a drag.
    But window seat is important for me, if a long haul flight I do some preparation...track the same flight/airline in the lead up to the flight and know the general area where you will be flying over beforehand and what time roughly one is over a certain area. Had this done for a flight that went over Greenland and got to see the icebergs and the ice sheet, which does add to a holiday, will likely never visit Greenland so this was next best.
    Take off is the best...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,364 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    wexie wrote: »
    Careful on the aul booze, no harm being a little sedated but don't overdo it, plenty of time for that when you get to Amsterdam.

    Best of luck, and just remember that millions of people do this every day and are absolutely fine

    If you've headphones with you put something nice and relaxing on them, try to chill.

    Also perhaps take aside one of the crew (that looks nice) and let them know, they may check in on you if they can.

    Finally perhaps you may get some herbal (hurhur) over the counter sedative in the pharmacy?

    Good luck, have fun!!!

    And for God's sake don't play On The Run from Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon. :D:D

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,866 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    On a twin I like the big bump of thrust you get on takeoff roll when they turn the taps on, safe in the knowledge that it has twice the power available that it actually needs to take off. Yes I know they usually do derated/flex temp takeoffs to save on engine wear, but there's still a nice kick there.

    I was only on an A340 twice, it's not called the "ground gripper" for nothing, and some say it only takes off because it travels in a straight line but the earth below it is curved :) it was a good bit quieter than the 330 we flew on the sectors before/after though, so you can't have everything.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    ah you lucky lucky people!

    flying is a luxury many of us will never enjoy

    I look up and see a plane high up and think, there are people up there! sheer miracle...


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I was on a plane and it hit the worst turbulence I have ever experienced. One of the air stewards was knocked out when she hit her head on the ceiling. People were screaming.
    As it got really bad " Don't Fear the Reaper" started playing on my player. I start to laugh really loudly and the two people beside me who were screaming stopped and started staring at me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Back at schiphol. Today's flight must be booze/benzo free, as I am heading directly to work from Dublin Airport. If I can manage this, I will feel like a golden god. Or perhaps an adult of some sort.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Back at schiphol. Today's flight must be booze/benzo free, as I am heading directly to work from Dublin Airport. If I can manage this, I will feel like a golden god. Or perhaps an adult of some sort.

    Best of luck to you.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭Spleerbun


    Someone above suggested chilled music, I myself opt to play really loud music during take off, I find not being able to hear all the weird noises the plane/engines to be making helps with the nerves. I fly 4 or 5 times a year but I'm always a bit on edge, never enjoy it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    I'M ALIVE \o/

    No booze, no xanax. Thuggin'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,030 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Even if there was a total electrical failure then they have battery power for essential instruments etc. enough to carry out a landing.
    Dont forget that in some planes the hydraulic system can be used to supply electrical power, as can an external ram air turbine.

    There is an interesting case in the UK right now where a pilot lost his job after he developed a fear of flying, the court ordered that the company was in the wrong and is now about to decide if he should get his job back. So how would you feel about flying with a pilot that was scared of flying?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Dont forget that in some planes the hydraulic system can be used to supply electrical power, as can an external ram air turbine.

    There is an interesting case in the UK right now where a pilot lost his job after he developed a fear of flying, the court ordered that the company was in the wrong and is now about to decide if he should get his job back. So how would you feel about flying with a pilot that was scared of flying?

    Chances are the passengers would never know.. ;)

    You OK???? ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,866 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I can see how they might have to give him a non-flying job, or counselling to help him retain his flying job, but would he pass a simulator check when something goes wrong?

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Posts: 17,381 [Deleted User]


    I can see how they might have to give him a non-flying job, or counselling to help him retain his flying job, but would he pass a simulator check when something goes wrong?

    I would hope so.. Simulator training is meant to prepare pilots for dire situations where they are shltting themselves but have to follow protocol.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,030 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Simulator training is meant to prepare pilots for dire situations where they are shltting themselves but have to follow protocol.
    Actually they are not!

    Its a beautiful day, clear skies and I have a lovely EMPTY aircraft to go play with. Probably takeoff and climb to 45,000 feet, do some steep turns and come back again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,975 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I also have experience of a real bad flight.

    Coming from Stansted into Derry one November night, I got a call before I boarded the plane from my brother, who knew I wasn't mad about flying, saying "its very windy here in Derry".

    It was near windless in London, so I didn't worry too much.

    About 15mins after take off the pilot had the cheek to come over the tannoy and say "its a bit windy in Derry tonight so we will probably head that way and make an attempt to land, and if we have any problems we may have to land at another airport".

    You can tell I then started to get nervous. The flight was not that bumpy until I guess we got somewhere close to NI/Belfast area, maybe Isle of Man, I don't know.

    It then got very bumpy in the cabin. Very bumpy. Constant shaking, no let up at all. Its got worse the closer we got to Derry, and some people were openly shaking, crying etc. Since I was on my own, I had no-one to hold on to!!

    Anyway, as we came in to land, I was looking up the cabin to the top of it, and I couldn't believe just how much swaying to the left and right it was doing. I thought if we were trying to land there was a fair chance one of the wings would surely touch the ground.

    The 1st landing attempt was aborted, it was very shaky, and the woman in front of me fainted and her head and shoulders flopped out over the arm of her seat just as the pilot hit the power. There was quite a few people openly crying at this point.

    We swung around and were able to land on the 2nd attempt. Never as glad to get on the ground. I also remember the Ryanair pilot putting out another message after the landing to say basically he was within limits to attempt it. I think perhaps he feared a pile of PTSD claims!!

    I was in the dentist the next day and overheard a guy in the waiting room chatting about the storm the night before, and said he knew a guy who worked ATC in Derry, and they had their highest ever gust that night. I think it was 95mph or something, but I remember laughing and telling them I was on a plane trying to land the previous night.

    Anyway, I won't lie and I did think it might have been the end of me, as I had never been on a trip that had so much constant shaking and rattling of a plane before. And it was sustained for maybe 25min or more. A very frightening experience.

    But the one thing it did show me was just how resilent those aeroplanes are to turbulence. If anything was going to fall off it, it would have that night.


  • Posts: 17,381 [Deleted User]


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Actually they are not!

    Its a beautiful day, clear skies and I have a lovely EMPTY aircraft to go play with. Probably takeoff and climb to 45,000 feet, do some steep turns and come back again.


    Two pilot friends have told me about their training in simulators.. They definitely practice difficult situations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Two pilot friends have told me about their training in simulators.. They definitely practice difficult situations.

    one of the dubai youtube programmes showed 2 pilots, one young Aussie, being trained to fly the new huge plane through some very tough situations


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,030 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    where they are shltting themselves
    Once again, I will say, they are not ****ting themselves!


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Once again, I will say, they are not ****ting themselves!

    I think this is subjective! Like many folk who would find living on a tiny remote island appalling feeling sorry for me when I am having a ball! (figuratively speaking..)


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