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'Trial of four-day working week an ‘unmitigated success’ for employees’ health'

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    #32
    RayCon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,835 ✭✭✭RayCon


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    I used to wok a five day week two shift, alternating 8am to 4pm and 4pm to midnight with the shift changeover mid week. Finishing at midnight and being back in for 8am wasn't great but loved the long changeover being off from 4pm one day to 4pm the next day. I could get so much family / personal things done in that 24 hours.

    I'd happly work a 4 day x 10 hour week to have three family / personal days each week.

    Chinese Restaurant ?


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    #33
    Thephantomsmask
    Registered Users Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Thephantomsmask


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How many nurses approaching 50 sing the praises of their 13 hour days? They are burned out and have to take early retirement.

    I wonder what percentage of nurses close to 50 are working a full week? Pretty much everyone I know is job sharing ie part time.


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    #34
    Greyfox
    Registered Users Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Not within the next 20 years
    Balanadan wrote: »
    I hope this won't be implemented. I'd be bored with an extra 3 days off. What would you even do?

    There's about 5,000 things you could do including travel, hobbies you've never tried, endless interesting things to learn, new friends you could make and more films/tv/books/games than you can get through in your lifetime. Time is the most precious and valuable thing in the world.

    I'd love a 4 day week and would gladly work an extra 2 hrs a day for it, I don't know how people could prefer working 5 days


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    #35
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Shorter working hours work better, otherwise people dial down the effort because the work day is too long to keep working hard.


    https://theweek.com/articles/454364/what-happened-sixhour-workday

    That’s a good point.

    And, another facet, I had a lab research job a few years ago where the odd time I had to pull 12-13 hour days in order to complete experiments. I found that once I got past ten hours, my concentration just dropped off a cliff. I was useless then.


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    #36
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Balanadan wrote: »
    I hope this won't be implemented. I'd be bored with an extra 3 days off. What would you even do?

    As someone who can’t work, the things I miss are the social interaction and the feeling of contributing to society. I really miss those things. Oh and the money, of course.

    But I never have any problem filling my days. There are endless great films to watch and books to read. I kinda feel sorry for anyone who can’t think of how to fill their time if they aren’t working. I know many people say that they’d miss the problem-solving that goes with working but I still have plenty of problems to solve in my life, believe me.

    Like, you’d really struggle with how to fill three days off a week? Seriously?


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    #37
    Balanadan
    Site Banned Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Balanadan


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    As someone who can’t work, the things I miss are the social interaction and the feeling of contributing to society. I really miss those things. Oh and the money, of course.

    But I never have any problem filling my days. There are endless great films to watch and books to read. I kinda feel sorry for anyone who can’t think of how to fill their time if they aren’t working. I know many people say that they’d miss the problem-solving that goes with working but I still have plenty of problems to solve in my life, believe me.

    Like, you’d really struggle with how to fill three days off a week? Seriously?


    Yeah. I took a week off recently, got bored after three days and went back to work.


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    #38
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Balanadan wrote: »
    Yeah. I took a week off recently, got bored after three days and went back to work.

    That’s depressing.


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    #39
    Balanadan
    Site Banned Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Balanadan


    Greyfox wrote: »
    There's about 5,000 things you could do including travel, hobbies you've never tried, endless interesting things to learn, new friends you could make and more films/tv/books/games than you can get through in your lifetime. Time is the most precious and valuable thing in the world.

    I'd love a 4 day week and would gladly work an extra 2 hrs a day for it, I don't know how people could prefer working 5 days


    You can do 5000 things at work, meet new people, travel a bit, read books while you're travelling. I'm not bothered about films and tv, I don't own a tv.


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    #40
    Balanadan
    Site Banned Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Balanadan


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    That’s depressing.


    Maybe I enjoy work! Some of the people I work with have to be FORCED to take holidays.


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    #41
    Greyfox
    Registered Users Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Not within the next 20 years
    Balanadan wrote: »
    You can do 5000 things at work, meet new people, travel a bit, read books while you're travelling. I'm not bothered about films and tv, I don't own a tv.

    Nonsense, you can't do this. ultimately you have to do what you boss tells you or do something that's going to make a profit. Even those people I know that love there job say that there not spending there time the way they would like too. When your on work time the travel and meeting people is limited to what your company wants. With no film/tv your missing out on some of the greatest story's ever told


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    #42
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Balanadan wrote: »
    Maybe I enjoy work! Some of the people I work with have to be FORCED to take holidays.

    People who love lots of downtime don’t necessarily not enjoy their work though. Oh well, to each their own, I guess.


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    #43
    YFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Alot more is done with 8 hours a day 5 days a week compare to 10 hours a day 4 days a week.


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    #44
    Balanadan
    Site Banned Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Balanadan


    Greyfox wrote: »
    Nonsense, you can't do this. ultimately you have to do what you boss tells you or do something that's going to make a profit. Even those people I know that love there job say that there not spending there time the way they would like too. When your on work time the travel and meeting people is limited to what your company wants. With no film/tv your missing out on some of the greatest story's ever told


    I can do what I want at work. I enjoy it. I find most tv and film to be boring.


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    #45
    Captain Red Beard
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Captain Red Beard


    Not at all
    Balanadan wrote: »
    I can do what I
    want at work. I enjoy it. I find most tv and film to be boring.

    What is your line of work?


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    #46
    Balanadan
    Site Banned Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Balanadan


    Captain Red Beard wrote: »
    What is your line of work?
    I'm a biznizman


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    #47
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Greyfox wrote: »
    With no film/tv your missing out on some of the greatest story's ever told

    Rubbish. The greatest ones slways start out as books.

    I've worked with a number if people who genuinely loved their jobs and always wanted to be doing more.


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    #48
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I'm


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    #49
    Balanadan
    Site Banned Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Balanadan


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Rubbish. The greatest ones slways start out as books.

    I've worked with a number if people who genuinely loved their jobs and always wanted to be doing more.


    At least someone gets it! :)


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    #50
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Rubbish. The greatest ones slways start out as books.

    I've worked with a number if people who genuinely loved their jobs and always wanted to be doing more.

    Aaaah, no. There are many original screenplays amongst the best films ever made. Many books make terrible films. And the same with TV shows. Did The Sopranos need a book as source material?


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    #51
    oceanman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭oceanman


    Yes, within 20 years
    Balanadan wrote: »
    Yeah. I took a week off recently, got bored after three days and went back to work.
    god but your life must be empty...why don't you take up a hobbie?


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    #52
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,114 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Not within the next 20 years
    'British people work some of the longest hours in Europe, but are among the least productive. Now some companies are shortening the working week to increase efficiency, health and happiness'

    Update on some adopters:
    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/nov/05/firms-switched-four-day-week-increase-efficiency-health-happiness


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    #53
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Water John wrote: »
    'British people work some of the longest hours in Europe, but are among the least productive. Now some companies are shortening the working week to increase efficiency, health and happiness'

    Update on some adopters:
    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/nov/05/firms-switched-four-day-week-increase-efficiency-health-happiness
    So the trick is for everyone to be lazy ****ers for a while till employers go "well we're taking a stand now,. If youre not going to work properly we're going to let you come in less"

    Genius.


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    #54
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Not within the next 20 years
    Very interesting experiment in this firm in Australia:The Australian company that banned work on Wednesday

    To be honest it's mildly annoying that the 3rd day off a week is Wednesday- I was thinking it would be great to have a 3-day weekend. However, there seems to be much more sense in that article making Wednesday the 3rd day as productivity increased and stress decreased - the "Monday feeling" of greater productivity came twice a week now. I can easily imagine many people feeling aggrieved after a while that they cannot swap the Wednesday for a Friday or Monday so they can make a long weekend of it.

    Interestingly, while the article says evidence is building in favour of a 4-day week it notes that in some sectors it doesn't work:
    However, not all reduced hour trials have proven unmitigated successes. An experiment with six-hour days at state-run nursing homes in Gothenburg, Sweden, found that while sick day and productivity rates improved, staff costs rose considerably as more people needed to be hired to fill in the gaps.

    Is there any EU-wide position or consensus yet on moving towards a 4-day week? Does any country look like it will become the first to have a 4-day working week as normal?


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    #55
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Deleted User wrote: »

    Is there any EU-wide position or consensus yet on moving towards a 4-day week? Does any country look like it will become the first to have a 4-day working week as normal?

    Its a push from the elite to further increase their advantage over the weaker and lower paid in society. White colour workers, with imprecisely monitored productivity, can claim they feel better, prefer it, and even that they are producing no less. But those in manual work, factories, retail or service counters, call centres, cannot but reduce their productivity if they were to work fewer hours. The consequence would be that the earn less, or do not reduce their hours. While their managers, administrators, etc, get an extra day off. Nice for some.


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    #56
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,744 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Most people could work a lot less hours, even those on front line public services if we employed more people for them. I think we would have to slow the economy down a little though, and slow everything down really. Shops open less, take aways open less, that kind of thing, if we wanted it across the board. I have a feeling low paid people would still be working long hours and working all the time.
    Would people gladly go back to nothing being open on Sundays for example? Wouldn't bother me. We're too obsessed with business and making money. Free time and family etc are more important. Life is too short.


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