"The great DART elephant!"

Draw parallel lines from dundrum to the city centre for buses? How? The road from dundrum to milltown bridge is barely wide enough for 2 lanes as it is....And then through ranelagh? Yeah...

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

Be interesting to see how travelling from the Square to the CC by bus at peak compares in real time, traffic pinch points, the lot.

In any case the opportunity to use the busway alignment via Mount Argus for a Metro has been lost due to the short termism of the old Dublin Corporation.

Ah yes, the Poddle Passover as a local wag used to call it.

That was proposed as a dual carriageway going from O'Connell Street area to Templeogue and onwards to Tallaght since the late 1940's that turned the Liberties into a jock. Houses in the area were subjected to proposed CPO's for it and another major urban road plan, Cork Street to Clondalkin, as long ago as the 1950's. As a result it made local properties and businesses worthless and almost impossible to sell; after all you could be turfed out in no time.

Such was the speed and prowess of the City Fathers that Clanbrassill Street was only completed as far as, well, halfway up Clanbrassill Street by 1989, pushing the bottleneck up a little closer to Harold's Cross. To this day the path for most of the rest of the intended route is largely intact; it too was mooted as a potential LUAS line; a well placed apartment complex has since put play to it entirely.

Cork Street fared little better; it and a new thoroughfare was finally opened in 2002. However it too was arse ways, with the critical bottleneck of Dean Street and the Coombe still delaying traffic due to a public toilet mysteriously becoming protected enough under heritage law to as good as curtail the route, and another apartment complex getting into the way.

And we wonder why LUAS and Metro are taking so long.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Tbf, with regard to the Tallaght Luas, it’s a ridiculous amount of time for commuters to get from there to the CC.

Off peak the bus is far superior. On peak LUAS is quicker from the square by about 10 mins but it's packed.

LUAS is grand but - hilarious historic arguments against it posted above in this thread - it is now used by some as the solution to everything: 'build more LUAS lines'. It's slow, limited in capacity and it takes road space from other people movers. You get what you pay for.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Off peak the bus is far superior. On peak LUAS is quicker from the square by about 10 mins but it's packed.

I've never been on a 27 at peak times that only takes 50 minutes. I've been on that bus for well over 90 minutes at times. That said, the Luas is an absolute godsend for anyone in Citywest or even Belgard/Kingswood.

As an aside, there's still a DART mural in Killinarden, obviously it was promised when the estates were built, but never materialised (like basically every service in West Tallaght)

LeinsterDub wrote: »

They both from the times?

Think the Martin Fitzpatrick piece was from the Sunday Business Post or Sunday Indo., the other from the Irish Times.

Xterminator wrote: »

not true. its far quicker than the bus at peak times, and the duration of each journey is predictable, unlike the bus journey.

Of course if we had not gone with on street junctions that require the luas to stop at traffic lights etc, it would have knocked a fair few minutes off the journey, but lets be clear it is a superior method of moving more people at peak time, and is quicker too.

Not disputing it’s quicker than the bus at peak times, just that it takes far too long for Tallaght to CC on the red line.