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"The Home" Tuam

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  • Registered Users Posts: 46 heidiresk


    Did you try the Western Health Board in Galway. If your relative was fostered out (pre adoption) then there should be information regarding that on the paperwork.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 MJANNA


    Hi

    My mother was born in tuam mother & child home in 1947. She did not have a birth cert until a few years ago. She only had a copy of her baptismal cert. in 1998 when i called the dioceses for a new copy, it revealed additional information that was not documented on the one my mother had, Her mothers address.
    I can't remember exactly, I think I called Bernardo's in Roscommon who gave me the i.d number of the birth cert and told me it was with the registration of births marriages and deaths in Galway City.
    Hope this might be of some help


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭barney4001


    In todays Irish Mail on Sunday front page head line read
    a mass grave of 800 babies in the home run by Bon Secours nuns in Tuam Co Galway


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 heidiresk


    Thank you for the info!!!
    I live in the USA, do you know if there is an online link for the article?


  • Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭poochiem


    Grabbed shots of the Mail story for you


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  • Registered Users Posts: 46 heidiresk


    Thank you very much for your efforts in sharing the article.


  • Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭poochiem


    We wrote about it today here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 46 heidiresk


    Thank you for sharing the link.


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Coolnabacky1873


    The excellent @Limerick1914 Twitter feed has been posting about this institution over the last two days. They have "Storify-ed" the timeline:
    https://storify.com/Limerick1914/children-s-home-in-tuam-1920s-1960s


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    I just listened to the BBC Radio Foyle interview with Catherine Corless.

    Very moving and it shows how powerful local history / genealogy research can be.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 Gcc


    MJANNA wrote: »
    Hi

    My mother was born in tuam mother & child home in 1947. She did not have a birth cert until a few years ago. She only had a copy of her baptismal cert. in 1998 when i called the dioceses for a new copy, it revealed additional information that was not documented on the one my mother had, Her mothers address.
    I can't remember exactly, I think I called Bernardo's in Roscommon who gave me the i.d number of the birth cert and told me it was with the registration of births marriages and deaths in Galway City.
    Hope this might be of some help


    Hi MJANNA,

    can you give me info on who got you the birth cert?
    my mother is in the same boat, has a baptismal cert but no birth cert
    thanks


  • Posts: 1,427 Dexter Flaky Lightning


    The Daily Mail headline is a disgrace - but coming from them - not a surprise.

    Every rural cemetery a mass grave - if the definition is repeated burials in the same place and no headstones. As a child I often saw family graves opened and heaps of bones placed to one side, to be placed back on top of the coffin before the grave was filled.


    Infant mortality before antibiotics was enormous - my grandmother lost four children to childhood illnesses. My mother barely survived pneumonia, I was a regular customer of the Bons Secours sisters in the fifties and I would'nt have survived with them and penicillin.

    I was a boarder in a diocesan seminary in the early 60's. You could'nt heat the place in the winter so cold was normal. Dinner was mostly cheap bacon, cabbage and potatoes. This sounds like mis-treatment - but there were thousands of families living on bread and potatoes, dressed in tatters and kids coming to school barefoot.



    Homes for un-married mothers appeared in the late 1700's - the first were founded by Protestant ladies to "save poor girls from destitution and destruction" - read that as being prostitutes. In other words, they were an improvement on the alternatives.

    Yes the clergy preached continuously against the temptations of the flesh - I was well into my teens before I really knew how this might happen. It was a social necessity and they did'nt have to preach about the other six deadly sins, because there was little opportunity to indulge in them.

    In my view, the Catholic clergy played a huge role in lifting the population out of poverty, ill-health and lack of education. They literally worked for their keep and nothing else. The nuns, who lived entirely in convents gave the most.

    This was they way things were and trying to scapegoat the surviving elderly nuns is shameful.


    John


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    So explain the 796 babies dumpedburied in a septic tank?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Every rural cemetery a mass grave - if the definition is repeated burials in the same place and no headstones.

    Being shoved in a septic tank wrapped in a sheet doesn't equate to any concept of "burial" in Irish society or indeed law.

    Its too long ago for anyone who was actually responsible to be alive realistically but there's a chance that similar practices continued elsewhere for far longer - it only stopped there as it closed entirely.

    Mortality rates in the "homes" were completely off the wall with the country in general - three to four times in some cases - so trying to explain it away with justifications to the higher overall infant mortality rate at the time still falls far short.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭Ghekko


    The nuns in question should hang their heads in shame. I cannot believe anyone in today's society can defend their actions and lack of Christian compassion towards the babies that lie in that septic tank.


  • Registered Users Posts: 42 aboysham


    The Daily Mail headline is a disgrace - but coming from them - not a surprise.

    Every rural cemetery a mass grave - if the definition is repeated burials in the same place and no headstones. As a child I often saw family graves opened and heaps of bones placed to one side, to be placed back on top of the coffin before the grave was filled.


    Infant mortality before antibiotics was enormous - my grandmother lost four children to childhood illnesses. My mother barely survived pneumonia, I was a regular customer of the Bons Secours sisters in the fifties and I would'nt have survived with them and penicillin.

    I was a boarder in a diocesan seminary in the early 60's. You could'nt heat the place in the winter so cold was normal. Dinner was mostly cheap bacon, cabbage and potatoes. This sounds like mis-treatment - but there were thousands of families living on bread and potatoes, dressed in tatters and kids coming to school barefoot.



    Homes for un-married mothers appeared in the late 1700's - the first were founded by Protestant ladies to "save poor girls from destitution and destruction" - read that as being prostitutes. In other words, they were an improvement on the alternatives.

    Yes the clergy preached continuously against the temptations of the flesh - I was well into my teens before I really knew how this might happen. It was a social necessity and they did'nt have to preach about the other six deadly sins, because there was little opportunity to indulge in them.

    In my view, the Catholic clergy played a huge role in lifting the population out of poverty, ill-health and lack of education. They literally worked for their keep and nothing else. The nuns, who lived entirely in convents gave the most.

    This was they way things were and trying to scapegoat the surviving elderly nuns is shameful.


    John


    Are these the type of nuns you are trying to defend?

    Published by The Irish Examiner, a respected national Irish newspaper.


    Women who gave birth at the notorious Bessborough mother-and-baby home in Cork were not allowed pain relief during labour or stitches after birth, and when they developed abscesses from breast-feeding they were denied penicillin.

    One nun who ran the labour ward in 1951 also forbid any “moaning or screaming” during childbirth. Girls in poverty, who could not afford to make donations to the Sacred Heart order, had to spend another three years after their babies were born cleaning and working on the lands around the Cork city home to ‘make amends’ for their pregnancy.

    Such work often included cutting the home’s “immaculate lawns” on their hands and knees — with a pair of scissors.

    Before they left the home, their three-year-olds, with whom they would have established a strong emotional bond, were removed from them and fostered, put up for adoption, or sent to an orphanage — often with only hours’ notice.

    These revelations were all made by June Goulding, a midwife who worked at the mother and baby home for a year from 1951, in her book The Light in the Window.

    “I could not imagine why the babies were not placed in care immediately after the birth to avoid trauma on both sides” Ms Goulding wrote.

    In the memoir, published in 1998, she recounts how, at her first Bessborough birth, she asked someone at the hospital what painkillers were used in labour.

    “Nobody gets any here, nurse, They just have to suffer,” she was told.

    Just like in the Magdalene laundries, none of the women were allowed to talk to one another or to nurses at the home. They were also expected to wet-nurse other women’s babies.

    When Ms Goulding asked why she could not access needles to stitch women who had been torn during childbirth, she was told she was not allowed to open the cabinet. “I’m afraid, nurse, the key to that cabinet has never been handed over. Girls must suffer their pain and put up with the pain of being torn — she [the nun] says they should atone for their sin.”

    Goulding described the home in Blackrock, Cork City, as “a secret penitential jail”. She had grown up less than three miles from the home but had been blithely unaware of how approximate 320 pregnant women and new mothers were treated by the nuns.

    Standard practice at the time, according to the newly trained midwife, would have been to administer aspirin and penicillin to ease the pain and infection. At Bessborough, the women were given nothing.

    Ms Goulding’s book is heartbreaking, revealing how many of the girls cried themselves to sleep every night. Only those from moneyed families who could afford to pay £100 were allowed to leave after 10 days, but many had nowhere to got.

    “Having a baby out of wedlock was such a taboo subject at the time that often these [rich] women did not even tell their husband that their daughter was pregnant,” wrote Ms Goulding, who was tormented at the injustice of making young mothers suffer when their babies’ fathers were never taken to task by society.

    Then again, she said, most of the fathers did not know if a woman was pregnant, as it would have “been too shameful” for the women to tell them.

    © Irish Examiner Ltd. All rights reserved

    Shame on you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭nootroc


    I think this thread should be kept for people trying to find out specific information if possible. Just a suggestion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 lofty999


    nootroc wrote: »
    I think this thread should be kept for people trying to find out specific information if possible. Just a suggestion.

    very true.


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