F1 2020: Hungarian GP

H3llR4iser · 18-07-2020 4:55pm

Harika wrote: »

If shwarzman wins that, he should be promoted to F1 next year

I was watching that...a LOT of strategy in that, with the medium tyres dropping off so fast, but there are quite a lot of nice talents in F2 right now. One'd wish they'd go with 3 cars teams to give these kids an opportunity.

Also, insane command of Neapolitan from Shwartzman, jaysus, most non-neapolitan Italians can't come close to that!!!

chicorytip · 18-07-2020 5:36pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Wonder how long it'll be until Red Bull lodge their own complaint about Racing Point - although they have bigger fish to fry, honestly. Besides the car going backwards, they need to fix their "second driver issue" as soon as possible, Albon is pulling a "Gasly Episode 2".

However high one wants to rate Max, there simply can't be that kind of difference between him and Albon, nor Gasly for what matters, on the single lap - otherwise these wouldn't even belong in F1. There's something wrong in the team, technical or political is anyone's guess.

I think Verstappen is on such a high level that he would make any team mate seem inferior. Albon knows what he is up against but is still very wet behind the ears so I would leave him there for another season to see if he develops.

Harika · 18-07-2020 8:26pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

I was watching that...a LOT of strategy in that, with the medium tyres dropping off so fast, but there are quite a lot of nice talents in F2 right now. One'd wish they'd go with 3 cars teams to give these kids an opportunity.

Also, insane command of Neapolitan from Shwartzman, jaysus, most non-neapolitan Italians can't come close to that!!!

His tyre management was amazing, while the other strategy burned their tyres in fear of undercut he managed it beautiful, and the laps before he pitted still drove the same times like the rest.
5 rookies in the top 6. Guess I predicted that

Dont be at yourself · 18-07-2020 8:38pm

Seems a similar story with Red Bull as last year -- off the pace in the first few races trying to understand how to setup their car. Very frustrating given their supposed aerodynamic expertise.

It's tough on Albon but the pressure is definitely ramping up now.

Aside from that, still enjoying the scrap in the midfield. Amazing that Racing Point could get through in Q2 on mediums, hope they don't leave the other teams behind them.

AMKC · 18-07-2020 11:39pm

Delighted to see William's making progress and doing better. Not so happy to see how far ahead of everyone Mercedes are. A pity to see Alfa and Haas doing so bad now. Alfa could always go back to being Sauber and get Renault or Honda engines. I think both them engines are better than the Ferrari one at the moment.

Cork Trucker · 18-07-2020 11:43pm

Sauber signed a deal for Honda engines before a change of management changed things and done the Alfa Romeo deal.

Cookie_Monster · 19-07-2020 12:24am

just watched quali highlights, crofty is so shouty these days, its awful!

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2020 10:06am

chicorytip wrote: »

I think Verstappen is on such a high level that he would make any team mate seem inferior. Albon knows what he is up against but is still very wet behind the ears so I would leave him there for another season to see if he develops.

That's famously not what red bull do.

I think max might be the fastest driver at the moment. He'd make anyone look slow. But that's Albon's problem as the team is looking at him losing a second a lap to max in the race and they know they can get loads more out of the car and ultimately more points than Albon can get

I haven't written off Seb moving to Red Bull.

AMKC · 19-07-2020 10:12am

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Sauber signed a deal for Honda engines before a change of management changed things and done the Alfa Romeo deal.

I know that. I the time it certainly looked like the better thing to do and the better engines too. But even do the Honda engines are still not perfect they have certainly come on both in power and reliability and are no where as bad as they were.

Harika · 19-07-2020 10:22am

AMKC wrote: »

I know that. I the time it certainly looked like the better thing to do and the better engines too. But even do the Honda engines are still not perfect they have certainly come on both in power and reliability and are no where as bad as they were.

+100 million into the budget. Not sure how much Alfa does

Charlie-Bravo · 19-07-2020 11:01am

Brilliant F2 sprint race. Tyres dropping off forcing pit stops, and some chancing their arm to go to the end without stopping. Worth a watch if it's on replay later.

I wonder if the tyre Deg will be similar in F1 today.

deafroadrunner · 19-07-2020 11:22am

astrofluff wrote: »

Brilliant F2 sprint race. Tyres dropping off forcing pit stops, and some chancing their arm to go to the end without stopping. Worth a watch if it's on replay later.

I wonder if the tyre Deg will be similar in F1 today.

I'm predicting a Lewis win with a one stopper. (Unless we get rain)

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 11:29am

astrofluff wrote: »

Brilliant F2 sprint race. Tyres dropping off forcing pit stops, and some chancing their arm to go to the end without stopping. Worth a watch if it's on replay later.

I wonder if the tyre Deg will be similar in F1 today.

I wouldn't get your hopes up. They still use the old Pirelli compounds in F2, the F1 tyres are revised compounds that have less degradation

tipp_tipp_tipp · 19-07-2020 11:50am

Lot of showers in the Budapest area throughout the day. Hopefully we get a bit of rain and a Perez victory

H3llR4iser · 19-07-2020 11:56am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's famously not what red bull do.

I think max might be the fastest driver at the moment. He'd make anyone look slow. But that's Albon's problem as the team is looking at him losing a second a lap to max in the race and they know they can get loads more out of the car and ultimately more points than Albon can get

I haven't written off Seb moving to Red Bull.

Yeah fastest or not, that's not how modern F1 works - these guys are all at the top of their game. On the single lap, there simply CAN'T be 1 second difference between any two of them, unless we're talking some absolute trainwreck paydriver on the level of Rosset or Inoue.

What makes the difference is race pace and management - typical example, Bottas vs Hamilton. They're there on the single lap, sometimes Valterri is ahead even. In the span of a race however, unless Hamilton has "one of these days", it's usually not even a competition.

When you get guys like Gasly or Albon, who have accomplished lower formulae track records and have shown to be skilled drivers in other cars (Gasly got a 4th and a 2nd place with Toro Rosso), get into a competitive car and do worse than they used to in a midfield one, something is wrong with the team - be it a setup issue, a design problem (e.g. car too adapted to one of the drivers) or a support/political matter, something is not ideal.

Sure Albon needs to "pull his weight", but Red Bull aren't completely blameless. They risk burning a young driver after another if they keep these shenanigans.

Vettel rejoining them would be an interesting prospect - it's no mystery that a lot of people in the team still have a good relationship with Seb. I wonder how much his presence could upset the "Verstappen cart", especially after the hype factor of the "youngest WDC in history" in gone after this season.

skipper_G wrote: »

I wouldn't get your hopes up. They still use the old Pirelli compounds in F2, the F1 tyres are revised compounds that have less degradation

Also, adding, the F2 cars have the awful gigantic wheel rims, which tend to increase the stress on the tires quite a bit.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2020 12:23pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

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Sure Albon needs to "pull his weight", but Red Bull aren't completely blameless. They risk burning a young driver after another if they keep these shenanigans.

Red bull does that though they consistently burn drivers. They'd want drivers like Max or GTFO. They have prompted and demoted drivers between the teams which shows they perform better at TR and worse at RB.

I think you're dead right and there's something wrong with the RB team in how they treat drivers. They discussed it in the chequered flag post quali podcast

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 12:32pm

Raining again at the track

weisses · 19-07-2020 12:36pm

deafroadrunner wrote: »

I'm predicting a Lewis win with a one stopper. (Unless we get rain)

Dunno .. tyre deg could be an issue if it stays dry

deafroadrunner · 19-07-2020 1:03pm

weisses wrote: »

Dunno .. tyre deg could be an issue if it stays dry

Just seen the weather there. Forget the one stop :pac:
Still think Lewis will win. Just seems to love this track.

Cork Trucker · 19-07-2020 1:06pm

deafroadrunner wrote: »

Just seen the weather there. Forget the one stop :pac:
Still think Lewis will win. Just seems to love this track.

It was the track in which he scored his first Mercedes victory in 2013, their only victory all season.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 19-07-2020 1:12pm

Johnny Herbert asking Latifi to speak a few words in his own language

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2020 1:26pm

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Johnny Herbert asking Latifi to speak a few words in his own language

Is he from French Canada?

Just checked an he's from Montreal which is in Quebec (the French part) . So its a fair question. He might not be a French speaker but it's a fair question.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 19-07-2020 1:31pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is he from French Canada?

Just checked an he's from Montreal which is in Quebec (the French part) . So its a fair question. He might not be a French speaker but it's a fair question.

No he asked him to say a few French words but he doesn't speak it.

Cork Trucker · 19-07-2020 1:31pm

Also of note, I fear Mercedes to take another record this year, that of McLaren from 1988.

AMKC · 19-07-2020 1:35pm

Harika wrote: »

+100 million into the budget. Not sure how m:)uch Alfa does

Exactly. They could do a lot with that extra 100million that is assuming of course that Honda still do that. I with say with Alfa maybe it's just free or reduced cost engines..still if the engine is the slowest on the track now maybe it's time for them to start looking at there options and becoming Sauber-Honda maybe.

skipper_G · 19-07-2020 1:48pm

Verstappen bins it on the way to the grid!

Slattsy · 19-07-2020 1:48pm

Well that's embarrassing.

deafroadrunner · 19-07-2020 1:49pm

Max ....... wtf

johnnysmack · 19-07-2020 1:50pm

skipper_G wrote: »

Verstappen bins it on the way to the grid!

Hahahahahahahah!!!!!

ctrl-alt-delete · 19-07-2020 1:50pm

Front left locking going into that corner, could be game over

F1 2020: Hungarian GP

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