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Pharmaceuticals rip-off, courtesy of the government

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  • #32
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    secondrowgal wrote: »
    Every medicinal product is licensed specifically in Ireland. It's not just OTCs.

    I checked the HPRA site and the only Beclometasone nasal spray licensed in Ireland is Beconase. So there doesn't appear to be any generics registered here, and therefore available. I don't know what your pharmacist is talking about.

    Also, it's the holder of the licence that requests the dispensing status - it has to be agreed by the HPRA of course, but if the brand leader is OTC you can be sure that the generic licence holder will also want an OTC licence. If this isn't available, then it hasn't been licensed. The government don't control this.

    With respect to the cost of licensing medicines in Ireland, Ireland is very reasonable in this regard. For instance to register a generic of Beconase in Ireland would be €10,200. The same registration in the UK could be ~£9K or as much as £25K, depending on the data.

    So the cost to register here is about 13 times as much as in the UK, factoring in the market size. I don't know what my pharmacists knowledge base is, I was just relating what she said.

    The government is always in control of the costs of these things. We are in the EU, a supposedly common market, there is no logical reason to not just accept the licencing elsewhere in the EU, rather than reinvent the wheel for such a tiny market.

    Of course doing that would require fewer public servants, so we can't have that.


  • #33
    The Hound Gone Wild
    Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭The Hound Gone Wild


    The generic is called Nasobec & is approximately the same price as OTC Beconase, so I don't know what your issue is.

    Source: I'm a Pharmacist


  • #34
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »
    The generic is called Nasobec & is approximately the same price as OTC Beconase, so I don't know what your issue is.

    Source: I'm a Pharmacist

    Is Nasobec available OTC?

    You don't see a problem with a generic costing the same as the formerly proprietary?

    My problem is being prevented from purchasing the generic version of an OTC medication from the UK that is one fifth of the price of Beconase in Ireland.


  • #35
    The Hound Gone Wild
    Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭The Hound Gone Wild


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Is Nasobec available OTC?

    You don't see a problem with a generic costing the same as the formerly proprietary?

    My problem is being prevented from purchasing the generic version of an OTC medication from the UK that is one fifth of the price of Beconase in Ireland.

    It's not, it's cheaper. The difference is made up due to a dispensing fee charged by the Pharmacy.


  • #36
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »
    It's not, it's cheaper. The difference is made up due to a dispensing fee charged by the Pharmacy.

    Sounds like a line straight from 'yes minister'.

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

    ― Upton Sinclair


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  • #37
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,032 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Can we have a situation where if it is approved/licenced for the EU / UK, then it is automatically approved for Irl?

    I want a situation where Tesco can automatically, and with no Govt regulation, sell whatever they sell in NI, down here.


  • #38
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Geuze wrote: »
    Can we have a situation where if it is approved/licenced for the EU / UK, then it is automatically approved for Irl?

    I want a situation where Tesco can automatically, and with no Govt regulation, sell whatever they sell in NI, down here.

    Of course we could. Have you ever caught a plane too or from Ireland or driven a car? Well AFAIK, the Irish government doesn't require every model of plane using an Irish airport, to be certified in this country, and the same with cars on Irish roads.


  • #39
    Darc19
    Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    cnocbui wrote: »
    So the cost to register here is about 13 times as much as in the UK, factoring in the market size. I don't know what my pharmacists knowledge base is, I was just relating what she said.

    The government is always in control of the costs of these things. We are in the EU, a supposedly common market, there is no logical reason to not just accept the licencing elsewhere in the EU, rather than reinvent the wheel for such a tiny market.

    Of course doing that would require fewer public servants, so we can't have that.

    The reason for this I read before is that people in different European countries have different reactions to different drugs.

    I always thought that a central European system would be best until I read the fairly detailed paper on it, though a joint irish / uk system probably would be a good idea.

    Maybe a pharmacist could provide more information?


  • #40
    paddy19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭paddy19


    Darc19 wrote: »
    The reason for this I read before is that people in different European countries have different reactions to different drugs.

    This sounds interesting, have you got a reference?


  • #41
    Darc19
    Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    paddy19 wrote: »
    This sounds interesting, have you got a reference?

    It was a discussion on radio. Either newstalk or rte1.

    Fairly indepth and made sense when you thought about it.

    But can't give any link.

    This story mentions the issue
    https://www.thesun.ie/news/3355040/spain-bans-brit-and-irish-tourists-from-buying-common-painkiller-after-the-deaths-of-ten-holidaymakers-caused-by-genetic-peculiarities/


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  • #42
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,777 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Darc19 wrote: »
    The reason for this I read before is that people in different European countries have different reactions to different drugs.
    I always thought that a central European system would be best until I read the fairly detailed paper on it, though a joint irish / uk system probably would be a good idea.
    Maybe a pharmacist could provide more information?

    In light of EU intrastate migration that seems a bit questionable... would an Irish gp or pharmacist know not go give a Pole a particular med?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #43
    Darc19
    Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    In light of EU intrastate migration that seems a bit questionable... would an Irish gp or pharmacist know not go give a Pole a particular med?

    I'm not a medic nor have any knowledge in field


    Put this into Google and it will give more detailed information

    CH Topic E 5 (R1)
    Ethnic Factors in the Acceptability of Foreign Clinical Data


  • #44
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,651 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Darc19 wrote: »
    I'm not a medic nor have any knowledge in field


    Put this into Google and it will give more detailed information

    CH Topic E 5 (R1)
    Ethnic Factors in the Acceptability of Foreign Clinical Data

    That document seems mostly aimed at global populations and characterises the broad ethnicities being referenced as Black, Caucasian and Asian. Only one of these is really applicable to Europe so this document is not supporting a genetic or ethnic differention within Europe that would warrant not having a pan European drug certification regime.


  • #45
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,777 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    cnocbui wrote: »
    That document seems mostly aimed at global populations and characterises the broad ethnicities being referenced as Black, Caucasian and Asian. Only one of these is really applicable to Europe so this document is not supporting a genetic or ethnic differention within Europe that would warrant not having a pan European drug certification regime.

    I can't imagine in the US or Australia for example, doctors considering whether someone is of Irish, Greek, German, Polish, Italian ancestry differently in prescribing meds... I have never heard of anything along those lines.

    Whether they are Cauacasian, Asian, Black sure.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #46
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,810 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's funny when the best reference which can be found to back up a proposition is The Sun.

    Life ain't always empty.



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