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2018 Hurricane Season

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭greedygoblin




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,876 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Whats helene at?

    Is she the one that is in our vicinity after mid month.

    That High is struggling to keep her back in FI


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭greedygoblin


    pauldry wrote: »
    Whats helene at?

    Is she the one that is in our vicinity after mid month.

    That High is struggling to keep her back in FI


    Yep, that's the one. It's deep in FI so understandably there is quite a bit of variability in where it ends up.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Yep, that's the one. It's deep in FI so understandably there is quite a bit of variability in where it ends up.


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    Watch the tabloids go nuts with that chart.

    "Major Hurricane to smash Ireland".


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Helene is expected to become a Major Hurricane soon though it should begin to weaken shortly after that. NHC
    274
    WTNT43 KNHC 101436
    TCDAT3

    Hurricane Helene Discussion Number 13
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082018
    1100 AM AST Mon Sep 10 2018

    Helene's cloud pattern has become much better organized during the
    past few hours, with a clear 20 n mi wide eye seen in Meteosat
    infrared imagery, and a clear eye noted in a 1135 UTC AMSU overpass.
    A Dvorak classifications from TAFB and SAB were both T5.0/90 knots
    at 1200 UTC, and that is the initial intensity for this advisory.
    Helene will remain in an environment that should support some
    additional strengthening for the next 12 hours or so, with very low
    shear and SSTs of 27C or above. After that time, the SSTs cool
    quickly and the shear increases dramatically by 36 hours, which
    should induce steady weakening. Late in the period, the shear
    continues, and while SSTs increase the atmosphere dries out, and the
    intensity is held steady at day 5. The new NHC intensity forecast is
    above most of the guidance through 24 hours to account for the
    recent intensification of the storm, but then is close to or
    slightly above HCCA and IVCN.

    The initial motion estimate is 285/14. The subtropical ridge north
    of Helene will gradually weaken as an upper-level trough digs
    southward around 40W. This pattern will cause Helene to slow down
    and gradually recurve during the forecast period, with a faster
    northward motion expected at days 4 and 5 as Helene interacts with
    the aforementioned upper-level trough. While there is significant
    variability between the various global models in the exact
    evolution of the upper-level pattern, the track model guidance is
    in generally good agreement on this evolution, although the UKMET,
    its ensemble mean and the GEFS mean are notable outliers to the
    right. The new NHC track was not changed much from the previous one
    and lies near the middle of the guidance envelope and is close to
    HCCA.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 10/1500Z 14.6N 30.0W 90 KT 105 MPH
    12H 11/0000Z 15.2N 32.0W 100 KT 115 MPH
    24H 11/1200Z 15.9N 34.3W 100 KT 115 MPH
    36H 12/0000Z 16.8N 36.1W 90 KT 105 MPH
    48H 12/1200Z 18.0N 37.7W 75 KT 85 MPH
    72H 13/1200Z 21.5N 39.5W 60 KT 70 MPH
    96H 14/1200Z 27.0N 40.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
    120H 15/1200Z 32.5N 40.5W 50 KT 60 MPH

    $$
    Forecaster Brennan


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Helene's tracks all noticably further east today than yesterday. The NHC track is further east still, barely crossing 35W.

    Also a disturbance with 40% chance of cyclone formation bobbing SW of the Azores almost exactly in the same place as Ophelia formed.

    The odds on 3 nationwide red weather shutdowns in the space of a year just got a lot shorter.

    Meanwhile, at least six US states under threat from two separate hurricanes, another one already formed threatening the Antilles, yet another disturbance waiting to rear its head in the Gulf, and Paul....well, losing the will to live near Baja California.

    And they said the season would be quiet!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭greedygoblin


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Also a disturbance with 40% chance of cyclone formation bobbing SW of the Azores almost exactly in the same place as Ophelia formed.


    From the NHC:
    ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
    TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

    Tropical Weather Outlook
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
    200 PM EDT Mon Sep 10 2018

    For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

    The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Hurricane
    Florence, located over the west-central Atlantic Ocean, on
    Hurricane Helene, located over the eastern Atlantic, and on
    Hurricane Isaac, located over the central tropical Atlantic.

    1. Showers and thunderstorms over the northwestern Caribbean Sea and
    western Cuba, associated with a surface trough, are showing some
    signs of organization. This system is forecast to move slowly
    northwestward near the Yucatan Peninsula on Tuesday with limited
    development. Upper-level winds are forecast to become more
    conducive for development on Wednesday when the system moves over
    the southern Gulf of Mexico, and a tropical depression could form
    on Thursday or Friday while the disturbance moves across the
    western Gulf of Mexico. Interests across northeastern Mexico and
    the coast of Texas and Louisiana should monitor the progress of
    this system. Regardless of development, heavy rainfall and gusty
    winds are likely over western Cuba through Tuesday.
    * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...30 percent.
    * Formation chance through 5 days...medium...50 percent.

    2. A non-tropical area of low pressure is forecast to form in the
    northeastern Atlantic Ocean several hundred miles west-southwest of
    the Azores in about two days. Environmental conditions are
    conducive for some development, and a tropical or subtropical
    depression could form by the end of the week while the low moves
    erratically over the northeastern Atlantic Ocean.
    * Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
    * Formation chance through 5 days...medium...50 percent.

    Forecaster Blake
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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭BumperD


    sdanseo wrote: »
    And they said the season would be quiet!

    While it’s certainly come to life in the last few days, we are at the peak of the season this week so not unexpected to have an uptick in activity.

    We are at 7 named storms so need to hit 10-11 to be an average season, anything short of that is below average.

    All eyes on Florence, Helene looks a shipping hazard only, and thankfully Isaac is very small and not forecast to go beyond a Cat 1 if the models are correct.


  • Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭xii


    Forgive my noobness, but does this look like Helene is heading towards us, along with other atlantic wind events and then the tail end of florence?

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=atl&pkg=mslp_uv850&runtime=2018091018&fh=6


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    xii wrote: »
    Forgive my noobness, but does this look like Helene is heading towards us, along with other atlantic wind events and then the tail end of florence?

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=atl&pkg=mslp_uv850&runtime=2018091018&fh=6

    Yes, but it's the GFS. It's been abysmal so far during Florence on both track but especially intensity, and the stalling off the US east coast is very unlikely. Helene may well end up in our vicinity as an extratropical depression, but I wouldn't be quoting the GFS on that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    It does look like the Azores is in for a severe hit from Helene. This could be serious.


  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭daphne


    Really nice image of the 3 out in the Atlantic - from here: https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/index.php
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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭BumperD


    It does look like the Azores is in for a severe hit from Helene. This could be serious.

    Its forecast to have downgraded to a tropical storm by the time it’s in the Azores, doubtful the impact will be anything that even makes the minor news headlines outside the local press.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,132 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Certainly livening up indeed

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    This is certainly an interesting development on the outer stages of this morning's ECM run:

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Darwin


    Still there on the 12z ECM....a bit too close for comfort!

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭star gazer


    Invest 95L (potentially Joyce) moving into the Gulf of Mexico is up to a 70% formation chance in the coming five days.
    ...
    1. Satellite images and surface observations indicate that the area of
    disturbed weather located over the extreme northwestern Caribbean
    Sea and the southeastern Gulf of Mexico is gradually becoming better
    organized. Ship reports indicate that this system is producing
    strong gusty winds over the Yucatan Channel. Upper-level winds are
    forecast to become more conducive for development, and a tropical
    depression is likely to form by Thursday night while the disturbance
    moves across the western Gulf of Mexico. If necessary, an Air Force
    Reconnaissance plane will investigate the system tomorrow.
    Interests across northeastern Mexico and the coasts of Texas and
    Louisiana should monitor the progress of this system. Regardless of
    development, heavy rainfall and gusty winds are expected to continue
    over western Cuba and portions of the northeastern Yucatan Peninsula
    today.
    * Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent.
    * Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent.
    NHC

    https://twitter.com/weatherchannel/status/1039581086890618880


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,339 ✭✭✭✭Rikand



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    Just looking at this graphic, Isaac looks to strengthen slightly as it approaches Cuba. Any talk of it strengthening further in the culf of mexico and causing problems to the southern US?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Tropical Storm Kirk has formed south of Cabo Verde and will track towards the southern Leeward Islands by Day 5. That's on the very southern limit of where storms can spin up due to the almost zero Coriolis force there.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The 18Z SHIPS has Kirk strengthening to Cat 1/borderline 2 of around 75-80 knots as it approaches Barbados in 5 days' time. Barbados is normally too far south to get direct hits, so it will be interesting to see if Kirk bucks the trend.

    http://hurricanes.ral.ucar.edu/realtime/plots/northatlantic/2018/al122018/stext/18092218AL1218_ships.txt

    Ocean Heat Content is fairly low along the way, hence only moderate strengthening.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The NHC are really bullish in forecasting no real intensification of Kirk (lower red OFCL curve) despite what the majority of models show. They're siding with the GFS and ECM dynamic models on this one for now. The SHIPS 06Z still has it at around 77 kts in 5 days.

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    Kirk has no real structure at present due to strong easterly shear. Hard to know exactly where the centre is.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Kirk never really got going and has now been downgraded to a tropical depression. It's expected to dissipate into a wave an time now.

    Subtropical storm Leslie formed yesterday but it too will dissipate in the next couple of days. The Atlantic has gone quiet again after that brief flare up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Kirk never really got going and has now been downgraded to a tropical depression. It's expected to dissipate into a wave an time now.

    Subtropical storm Leslie formed yesterday but it too will dissipate in the next couple of days. The Atlantic has gone quiet again after that brief flare up.

    It hasn't gone that quiet...

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    The orange shaded areas are both likely to develop into tropical cyclones within the next five days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    It hasn't gone that quiet...

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    The orange shaded areas are both likely to develop into tropical cyclones within the next five days.

    The site doesn't have those orange areas on the map now. In any case, the development off the east US coast was only to last 1 or two days before dissipating. Leslie will become extratropical the same time frame. Kirk is now a remnant trough. Both Kirk and Leslie never became anything resembling a tropical system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    The site doesn't have those orange areas on the map now. In any case, the development off the east US coast was only to last 1 or two days before dissipating. Leslie will become extratropical the same time frame. Kirk is now a remnant trough. Both Kirk and Leslie never became anything resembling a tropical system.

    It does have them but only in its five-day outlook. Neither is expected to form within the next 48 hours.

    https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5

    Essentially though, the hurricane season will likely not pick up again until the current upper trough over the Caribbean moves away. The sheer amount of shear (hehe) is astronomical there at the moment.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    All only 50% chance in the next 5 days. It's been a fairly quiet season, save for one brief flare-up this month.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Leslie has now been downgraded to a post-tropical cyclone as it becomes absorbed by a cold front, but it will strengthen to 65 knots as it becomes extratropical over the next couple of days. It will then cut off from the westerlies and meander about, picking up subtropical characteristics again by the weekend.
    WTNT43 KNHC 251439 TCDAT3
    Post-Tropical Cyclone Leslie
    Discussion Number 9
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132018 1100 AM AST Tue Sep 25 2018

    Leslie has become a post-tropical cyclone. Conventional and microwave satellite imagery show that Leslie's surface circulation has become elongated along an intruding baroclinic zone indicated by a recent 1158 UTC ASCAT-A pass. Any deep convection appears to be developing due to dynamic forcing. A rather large stratocumulus cloud shield and associated cooler, stable air is quickly advecting into the area as well. The initial intensity is maintained at 30 kt for this last advisory.

    Leslie is forecast to strengthen during the next couple of days due to baroclinic processes. The official forecast, based on the GFS and European global models, and the SHIPS statistical intensity guidance, shows an increase of the sustained winds to hurricane force in 2 days, around the same period that the shear drops below 10 kt. The non-tropical low is then forecast to move south of the strong upper-level westerlies and detach from the frontal boundary. According to the global models and the Florida State Cyclone Phase forecast, Leslie should make a transition from a frontal system to an asymmetric shallow warm-core seclusion. Beyond day 3, guidance suggests that Leslie will acquire subtropical characteristics and a more symmetric, deepening warm-core low while meandering in weaker steering currents. The intensity forecast follows this scenario and is based on the aforementioned global and statistical models.

    Leslie is now moving eastward at a slightly faster forward motion, about 10 kt. A turn to the north is expected in 36 hours followed by a slower westward motion as Leslie slips south of the mid-latitude westerlies. Through the remaining portion of the forecast, Leslie should move at a slower speed generally westward as a ridge builds to the north. NHC forecast is nudged toward the TVCN consensus through 48 hours, then follows more closely to the GFEX (GFS/ECMWF) consensus model. This is the last advisory issued by the National Hurricane Center on Leslie. Additional information on this system can be found in High Seas

    Forecasts issued by the National Weather Service, under AWIPS header NFDHSFAT1, WMO header FZNT01 KWBC, and available on the Web at https://ocean.weather.gov/shtml/NFDHSFAT1.shtml.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
    INIT 25/1500Z 31.6N 44.4W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROPICAL
    12H 26/0000Z 32.1N 42.5W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    24H 26/1200Z 33.6N 40.1W 50 KT 60 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    36H 27/0000Z 35.6N 39.9W 60 KT 70 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    48H 27/1200Z 36.1N 41.7W 65 KT 75 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    72H 28/1200Z 35.5N 45.3W 60 KT 70 MPH...SUBTROPICAL STORM
    96H 29/1200Z 34.6N 48.1W 55 KT 65 MPH...SUBTROPICAL STORM
    120H 30/1200Z 34.4N 49.6W 50 KT 60 MPH...SUBTROPICAL STORM


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Kirk has become a 40-kt tropical storm again and will affect the Lesser Antilles on Thursday before dissipating again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,339 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    All the clickbait rags have hurricane Leslie about to slam Ireland after dramatic uturn

    So I come to the weather forum to see if there's any mention of it. Nothing on the front page.

    So nothing to worry about then


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    ECM seems to show a very deep depression in around 10 days from what you'd imagine are the remnants of Leslie. 948mb between us and Iceland which is no joke if it moved east.

    But it's more than a week away. Might as well hang a fish out your window and use it to predict snow in January.


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