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Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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  • #9242
    Defunkd
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He's a very decent 10 for any side bar the very top sides.
    Okay.



    *whispers* ...or the mid-table sides...


  • #9243
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend
    Keatley is an excellent league 10, he's great cover for the international breaks but he just wasn't an international or even HEC 10 so he struggled in the big games, he has been a great servant though and deserves to get a few more years out of his career before calling it a day. In my opinion he's our third best 10 in the professional era after RoG and Warwick


  • #9244
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Clareman wrote: »
    Keatley is an excellent league 10, he's great cover for the international breaks but he just wasn't an international or even HEC 10 so he struggled in the big games, he has been a great servant though and deserves to get a few more years out of his career before calling it a day. In my opinion he's our third best 10 in the professional era after RoG and Warwick

    I think that says more about Munster's rotten luck when it comes to fly half than anything.


  • #9245
    Clareman
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend
    troyzer wrote: »
    I think that says more about Munster's rotten luck when it comes to fly half than anything.

    Either that or the great luck we had with RoG, he played 16 seasons and was very rarely injured.


  • #9246
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Clareman wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    I think that says more about Munster's rotten luck when it comes to fly half than anything.

    Either that or the great luck we had with RoG, he played 16 seasons and was very rarely injured.

    Yeah. But it was also 16 seasons and not a single decent replacement developed in that time.

    I can't put that down to Munster being crap, that's just really unfortunate.


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  • #9247
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah. But it was also 16 seasons and not a single decent replacement developed in that time.

    I can't put that down to Munster being crap, that's just really unfortunate.

    I think that's a little bit harsh on Keatley. I don't think he would have been with Munster for so long if he wasn't rated.


  • #9248
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    Eod100 wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah. But it was also 16 seasons and not a single decent replacement developed in that time.

    I can't put that down to Munster being crap, that's just really unfortunate.

    I think that's a little bit harsh on Keatley. I don't think he would have been with Munster for so long if he wasn't rated.

    That article doing the rounds on Munster's squad shows that they have form on letting sub par players languish on the roster for years.


  • #9249
    Defunkd
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I think that's a little bit harsh on Keatley. I don't think he would have been with Munster for so long if he wasn't rated.
    We have been looking for stability and consistency at 10 (and centre)for a good few years - JJ; RS + TB - who was hired as a centre - were all hoped to be a solution. Joey is only here a few months and is far from settled or perfect, yet Keatley has been effectively dropped after 5 years of having the position unopposed. That's not coincidence or a vendetta against IK.


    The cracks were there all along. We were unfortunate in that our other options at 10 didn't work out for whatever reason.


  • #9250
    Dog Botherer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭Dog Botherer


    John Hayes Ligind
    Defunkd wrote: »
    We have been looking for stability and consistency at 10 (and centre)for a good few years - JJ; RS + TB - who was hired as a centre - were all hoped to be a solution. Joey is only here a few months and is far from settled or perfect, yet Keatley has been effectively dropped after 5 years of having the position unopposed. That's not coincidence or a vendetta against IK.


    The cracks were there all along. We were unfortunate in that our other options at 10 didn't work out for whatever reason.

    Bleyendaal was definitely brought in as a 10, he was a highly rated fly half who had awful luck with injuries. It’s only recently he’s started playing at 12.


  • #9251
    MOLF Hunter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭MOLF Hunter


    Dog Botherer wrote: »
    Bleyendaal was definitely brought in as a 10, he was a highly rated fly half who had awful luck with injuries. It’s only recently he’s started playing at 12.

    He was brought in as a 12 alright...with a nod and a wink to the rule that if 1 province had a NIQ player in a certain position, the other provinces couldn't bring in another NIQ in the same position... thankfully that stance was relaxed in the meantime.


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  • #9252
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,617 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Tyler was signed as a centre in much the same way as Howlett was signed as a full back.


  • #9253
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)
    Defunkd wrote: »
    I'll disagree with you all day long about him meriting a 3 year contract because it has shown to be a poor decision

    Monday morning quarterback-ing here, to borrow an Eddie O'Sullivan-ism.


  • #9254
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM
    Defunkd wrote: »
    I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went too but i was never a fan of his. The 3 year contract he is finishing shouldn't have been given to him imo. Whatever way people want to dress it up, he's going as backup cover to an Italian club; that's a clear indication of his market value.

    Perhaps the 3 year contract was the price Benetton had to pay to get Keatley in the first place. We also don't know if there are clauses to end the deal early.


  • #9255
    Defunkd
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Perhaps the 3 year contract was the price Benetton had to pay to get Keatley in the first place. We also don't know if there are clauses to end the deal early.
    His contract ends in June and Treviso are signing him in Aug(?), so they're not buying him out or poaching him. Munster don't hold any player against his will (J Coughlan) so i doubt IK was tied-in too strongly: i can't see it being a big money contract either.

    What i have read from Treviso's coach is that IK is being brought in as cover for the WC, as one to offer guidance for the younger players in the squad and someone who has prior experience in HC. His versatility at 12/15 is an added bonus. That was an edited article so maybe he said more...


  • #9256
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM
    I wasn't suggesting Benetton bought him out from Munster. I'm saying they may have needed to offer a 3 year contract to get the player to sign.


  • #9257
    Defunkd
    Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    I find it odd that the contract length hasn't been mentioned, not even by Treviso.


  • #9258
    kuang1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Stander Up and Fight
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I wasn't suggesting Benetton bought him out from Munster. I'm saying they may have needed to offer a 3 year contract to get the player to sign.

    Crossed wires there Thomond. He was referring to Keatley's current munster contract and saying that shouldn't have been given to him. (was that a 3 year one though? Thought it was 2.)


  • #9259
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM
    kuang1 wrote: »
    Crossed wires there Thomond. He was referring to Keatley's current munster contract and saying that shouldn't have been given to him. (was that a 3 year one though? Thought it was 2.)

    Ah oops.

    It was a two year contract alright. At the time Keatley was second choice so I can't really fault Munster for awarding it.


  • #9260
    stephen_n
    Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    MOLF Hunter wrote: »
    It's a giggle, I'm sure no one is going to be too sensitive...I'll only keep it for a wee while ;)

    Are you sirius?


  • #9261
    MOLF Hunter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭MOLF Hunter


    stephen_n wrote: »


    Are you sirius?

    You're giving me a Boner


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  • #9262
    MOLF Hunter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭MOLF Hunter


    POM fit to play!


  • #9263
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,175 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)
    MOLF Hunter wrote: »
    POM fit to play!

    Injection and some good strapping in order. No doubt someone is going to "lean" on him with their knee at the bottom of a ruck to make sure his ribs are definitely ok.


  • #9264
    leakyboots
    Registered Users Posts: 5,906 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)
    Very light on wing cover, happy otherwise than that


  • #9265
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (C), Tommy O’Donnell, CJ Stander.

    Replacements: Rhys Marshall, Jeremy Loughman, Stephen Archer, Billy Holland, Arno Botha, Alby Mathewson, Tyler Bleyendaal, Dan Goggin


  • #9266
    BoardAtWork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 147 ✭✭BoardAtWork


    leakyboots wrote: »
    Very light on wing cover, happy otherwise than that

    Goggin can cover there if necessary. I presume it's a straight shootout between him and Sweetnam, and his form edges it.


  • #9267
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)
    BoardAtWork wrote: »
    Goggin can cover there if necessary. I presume it's a straight shootout between him and Sweetnam, and his form edges it.

    I wonder would we be more likely to see Haley moving to the wing, Tyler coming on and Joey moving to FB? It'd seem a more natural fit, but it's a lot of switches.


  • #9268
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    With the RWC coming up, wonder will TB get a 1year extension?


  • #9269
    case885
    Registered Users Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭case885


    John Hayes Ligind
    Eod100 wrote:
    With the RWC coming up, wonder will TB get a 1year extension?


    I'd rather he wasn't, we've JJ and Johnston and Healy is highly rated in the academy so he'd only be taking game time from them.
    He'd command a healthy salary in England or France so he may want a fresh start.


  • #9270
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    case885 wrote: »
    I'd rather he wasn't, we've JJ and Johnston and Healy is highly rated in the academy so he'd only be taking game time from them.
    He'd command a healthy salary in England or France so he may want a fresh start.

    Johnston still quite inexperienced. Could be wrong but as he started any Pro14 games? Think if JJ got injured again, we'd be in a bit of a pickle.


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  • #9271
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    John Hayes Ligind
    POM was always going to feature, nothing was surer.

    It could get interesting if he aggravates it this weekend and is ruled out of the Ireland game.


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