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LGBT and Islam

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    #332
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Russian police have detained LGBT activists attempting to raise awareness about the persecution of gay men in Chechnya.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-gay-rights-lgbt-chechnya-persecution-st-petersburg-may-day-protest-a7711531.html


    A number of groups are to hold a demonstration on Cork’s Grand Parade on Tuesday in protest at the reported detention and killing of gay men in Chechnya.https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cork-protest-over-treatment-of-gay-men-in-chechnya-447871.html


    Hundreds of people descended on the Russian Embassy in London to protest against the reported torture and murder of gay men in Chechnya.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hundreds-protest-against-gay-concentration-camps-in-chechnya-outside-londons-russian-embassy-a3514026.html


    1"]

    They'll just move the goalposts each time.


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    #333
    [Deleted User]
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote:
    I donate money to LGBT causes and i hihglight the persecution of LGBT people.

    Cool. I highlight persecution too. I don't donate to any causes though. Good for you. Keep up the great work.


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    #334
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,934 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    jeremyj1968 wrote: »
    Yeah I think that is always a problem that the left has had though. The assumption is that since the feminist, migrant, Traveller, LGBT groups are all on the same "oppressed victim" team that they must have similar views on most things. But Travellers have very traditional views towards abortion, women rights and gays. Muslim migrants have very backward views about women, and they think being gay is a sin.

    They have spent so long seeing the straight, white, settled male as being the enemy, but just because they share this view does not mean that some of their other beliefs are not diametrically opposed.

    I've absolutely no idea why you posted this in response to my post.

    But it's ironic that you accuse "the left" of seeing those various groups as all the same and in the same post you paint "the left" as being a single group with the same views.

    Maybe things aren't as black and white as you seem to think. Personally I think people probably have some views in common and and disagree on other things.


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    #335
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    It's a valid question that you have dodged with your reply.

    What are you doing to help LGBT people in Chechnya?

    The question itself was a dodge and you know that.


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    #336
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    jackboy wrote: »
    The question itself was a dodge and you know that.

    A dodge to what? :confused:

    You made a statement and i asked you a question that you chose (and still choose to) dodge.


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    #337
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Please point me to the survey that clarifies this




    One of my children is gay, surprisingly, no pressure from Muslims, plenty of abuse from christians.



    Wheres your outrage at the westboro baptist church and their protests?

    Why don't you find one survey from a Muslim country which shows a majority favourable attitude towards Homosexuals..just one.

    Down the line you're going to have to explain to your son why you tacitly supported, sympathised and made excuses for an ideology which wishes to murder him.

    I have shown plenty of outrage towards the WBC which has less than 100 members thank you very much..that was quite a few years ago.


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    #338
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Why don't you find one survey from a Muslim country which shows a majority favourable attitude towards Homosexuals..just one.

    I never claimed one existed, why dont you show me some?
    Down the line you're going to have to explain to your son why you tacitly supported, sympathised and made excuses for an ideology which wishes to murder him.

    You presume it's my onr of my sons who is gay?
    I have shown plenty of outrage towards the WBC which has less than 100 members thank you very much..that was quite a few years ago.

    Well your join date is 5 days ago so i must have missed it on one of your previous accounts ;)


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    #339
    [Deleted User]
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote:
    You presume it's my onr of my sons who is gay?

    In fairness, the point stands regardless of the gender of your child


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    #340
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    In fairness, the point stands regardless of the gender of your child

    Well no muslims have tried to murder my child yet, not even a bad word from one.

    Christians on the other hand......


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    #341
    [Deleted User]
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote:
    Christians on the other hand......

    Christians have tried to murder your child?


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    #342
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Christians have tried to murder your child?

    They have attacked them, and definitely plenty of abuse from them.


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    #343
    [Deleted User]
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote:
    They have attacked them, and definitely plenty of abuse from them.

    In the name of Christ? That's mad.


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    #344
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    Why don't you find one survey from a Muslim country which shows a majority favourable attitude towards Homosexuals..just one.

    .


    Muslim countries where homosexuality is legal:


    1. Lebanon
    2. Kazakhstan.
    3. Niger.
    4. Indonesia
    5. Bahrain
    6.Azerbaijan



    But the record goes to Turkey where homosexuality has been legal since the formation of the State in 1923 - A Muslim country where homosexuality has never been illegal.



    And the absolute winner is Turkey's predecessor The Ottoman Empire which decriminalised homosexuality in 1858 - which beats Western Christian countries by over 100 years. Oscar Wilde would not have been jailed if he had lived in Constantinople rather than London. Alan Turing wouldn't have been subjected to chemical castration if he had lived in Istanbul.


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    #345
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    They have attacked them, and definitely plenty of abuse from them.

    We're they shouting "Jesus is great" at the time?


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    #346
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Can anyone help me?

    I’m gay. Living in Ireland. And I want to just be myself with my boyfriend.

    And reading through the thread, i have the fear.
    is it the Islamic extremists, Irish catholics or crazy Russians I am supposed to watch out for? Who is more likely to abduct me or punch me in the face and then beat me up in the street?

    Not many Russians or islamics around me. But you never know?

    Any advice appreciated


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    #347
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Lebanon has historically been a Christian nation and since independence has had a power sharing arrangement between the various religions.


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    #348
    Atoms for Peace
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    They have attacked them, and definitely plenty of abuse from them.

    Are you sure they were actual Christians? Not exactly following the example set by Jesus.


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    #349
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Are you sure they were actual Christians? Not exactly following the example set by Jesus.

    White irish in ireland? Chances are they were christians.


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    #350
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Can anyone help me?

    I’m gay. Living in Ireland. And I want to just be myself with my boyfriend.

    And reading through the thread, i have the fear.
    is it the Islamic extremists, Irish catholics or crazy Russians I am supposed to watch out for? Who is more likely to abduct me or punch me in the face and then beat me up in the street?

    Not many Russians or islamics around me. But you never know?

    Any advice appreciated

    Stop listening to political horseshyte and enjoy your life would be the best advice you'll ever get.


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    #351
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Lebanon has historically been a Christian nation and since independence has had a power sharing arrangement between the various religions.


    Still has a Muslim majority.


    The main two religions are Islam with 57.7% of the citizenry (Sunni and Shia) and Christianity with 36.2% of the citizenry (the Maronite Church, the Orthodox Church, the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, the Protestant Church, the Armenian Apostolic Church).
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Lebanon.


    Plus the poster I was responding to asked for one Muslim country - I gave him a Muslim country that has never criminalized homosexuality and an Muslim empire that decriminalized it when Christian empires such as the British still had the Death Penalty on it's statute books.


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    #352
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,195 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    White irish in ireland? Chances are they were christians.

    If that's your justification in saying that he was "attacked by Christians" then it's very deceptive.

    Chances are they were raised in some denomination of Christianity, yes. But to therefore class them as Christians and imply that the attack was motivated by religion is nonsense.

    That would be like a lad raised in a Muslim home but not necessarily a devout believer, committing a hit and run of an old lady, and the Daily Mail running a headline "Pensioner injured in Islamic hate crime".

    Such a headline would be ridiculed and rightly so. But you're doing the same thing.


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    #353
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    If that's your justification in saying that he was "attacked by Christians" then it's very deceptive.

    Chances are they were raised in some denomination of Christianity, yes. But to therefore class them as Christians and imply that the attack was motivated by religion is nonsense.

    That would be like a lad raised in a Muslim home but not necessarily a devout believer, committing a hit and run of an old lady, and the Daily Mail running a headline "Pensioner injured in Islamic hate crime".

    Such a headline would be ridiculed and rightly so. But you're doing the same thing.

    I never said nor implied this, this is just your own silly interpretation of what i said


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    #354
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Can anyone help me?

    I’m gay. Living in Ireland. And I want to just be myself with my boyfriend.

    And reading through the thread, i have the fear.
    is it the Islamic extremists, Irish catholics or crazy Russians I am supposed to watch out for? Who is more likely to abduct me or punch me in the face and then beat me up in the street?

    Not many Russians or islamics around me. But you never know?

    Any advice appreciated

    All Muslims don't like you


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    #355
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    All Muslims don't like you

    What about the gay ones?


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    #356
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    What about the gay ones?

    Thy don't say anything. Unless they can fly that is. But in the western world they are ok. Great people


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    #357
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Thy don't say anything. Unless they can fly that is. But in the western world they are ok. Great people

    So not all.


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    #358
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So not all.

    Are gay Muslims accepted as Muslims by other Muslims though?


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    #359
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,401 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Are gay Muslims accepted as Muslims by other Muslims though?

    Find a muslim and ask one.

    There were both when i worked in citi bank a few years ago and they always seemed to have their lunch together.


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    #360
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Find a muslim and ask one.

    There were both when i worked in citi bank a few years ago and they always seemed to have their lunch together.

    Westernised Muslims. Different type of people. Similar to ourselves


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    #361
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,934 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That's right. The last time there was a conference of all the gays and all the feminists, they agreed that they were all in favour of Islam because it harms the west and for them, that is good.

    Lol.


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