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All's not well in FG.

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  • #122
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Billcarson wrote: »
    Likely ff with the greens

    didnt work out too great for the greens last time


  • #123
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    golfball37 wrote: »
    In most functioning democracies underperforming ministers can be sacked without the need to change government.

    except murphy is performing exactly how they want him too! hes's a sacrificial lamb!

    back to the normal practice of rip off prices that suit many here? yeah! Are all the decision makers here homeowners with vested interests in rising prices? Yes...

    you dont need to be sherlock holmes to crack this one!


  • #124
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    didnt work out too great for the greens last time

    Indeed but they seem to be making a bit of a comeback, not that I will be voting for them.


  • #125
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    didnt work out too great for the greens last time


    Going Green is cooler now. Climate change, emissions, plastic waste isn't great, shouty Scandinavian girleen etc. They'll corner the cool vote.


  • #126
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    GreenandRed wrote: »
    Going Green is cooler now. Climate change, emissions, plastic waste isn't great, shouty Scandinavian girleen etc. They'll corner the cool vote.

    They wont be so cool if they get in and then want carbon tax the ****e out of us.


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  • #127
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Billcarson wrote: »
    They wont be so cool if they get in and then want carbon tax the ****e out of us.

    What party would you like then? You don't want FF, FG, the GP or any party that is going to bring in taxes like the carbon tax.


  • #128
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Simon Coveney ready to pounce!

    Capability wise, I would argue he is worse than Leo. If Coveney is FG's great hope, they are in real trouble.


  • #129
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Capability wise, I would argue he is worse than Leo. If Coveney is FG's great hope, they are in real trouble.

    Why do you think he's worse than Leo?


  • #130
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Berserker wrote: »
    What party would you like then? You don't want FF, FG, the GP or any party that is going to bring in taxes like the carbon tax.

    Independents and sf will be getting my votes.

    I'm all for the environment but I'm against carbon taxes as that wont solve much imo. The greens in particular no doubt will want to carbon tax us to death.


  • #131
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    GreenandRed wrote: »
    Why do you think he's worse than Leo?
    He climbed into his father's coffin to get the seat.


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  • #132
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Capability wise, I would argue he is worse than Leo. If Coveney is FG's great hope, they are in real trouble.

    Well coveney was the non TD/councillors pick in the leadership contest by a wide margin so the FG party members are high on him.


  • #133
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    ill consider voting fG again, after a period in opposition. IF splinter goes and IF they remember who put them there and decided to actually represent them next time!


  • #134
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well coveney was the non TD/councillors pick in the leadership contest by a wide margin so the FG party members are high on him.
    But they're morons. Fine Gael are at the end of the day a tenth rate Fianna Fail.


  • #135
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    He climbed into his father's coffin to get the seat.

    Plenty of sons took their father's seat in the Dáil. It's not a measure of his capability.


  • #136
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    But they're morons. Fine Gael are at the end of the day a tenth rate Fianna Fail.

    I'm just telling you that they favoured him in 2017.


  • #137
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    GreenandRed wrote: »
    Plenty of sons took their father's seat in the Dáil. It's not a measure of his capability.
    If one person is handed a seat because their dad dies tragically and another gets it by climbing up the greasy pole - the pole climber will be more able.


    Look at the last FF government.
    Cowen - coffin climber
    Lenehan - coffin climber
    Hanafin - coffin climber
    Coughlan - coffin climber




    O'Cuiv every door opened
    Cullen every door opened


    Worst government in the history of the state.


  • #138
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    But they're morons. Fine Gael are at the end of the day a tenth rate Fianna Fail.

    When FG put the country into receivership, then we can begin to discuss how bad FG are compared to FF.


  • #139
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I'm just telling you that they favoured him in 2017.
    You are of course quite right. But the opinions of the FF members may nbot match to the population as a whole.


  • #140
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    When FG put the country into receivership, then we can begin to discuss how bad FG are compared to FF.

    wont be waiting long at this rate! Luxury tax payer funded apartments in dundrum for the workshy! wont be able to blame the german this time round!


  • #141
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    You are of course quite right. But the opinions of the FF members may nbot match to the population as a whole.

    I assume you mean FG members but point taken. Of course the decisions of any political party members doesn't represent the country as a whole.


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  • #142
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    wont be waiting long at this rate! Luxury tax payer funded apartments in dundrum for the workshy! wont be able to blame the german this time round!

    Good point. Nobody left to vote for.


  • #143
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    When FG put the country into receivership, then we can begin to discuss how bad FG are compared to FF.

    That's some bar.
    Wait until FG cause rather than manage and exacerbate a national crisis.
    Maybe we should be looking elsewhere? I think going into the polling booth with your eyes closed and sticking a pin and voting for who ever it lands on is justified after decades of FF/FG.


  • #144
    KWAG2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    When FG put the country into receivership, then we can begin to discuss how bad FG are compared to FF.

    FG only avoided doing that because they lost the election prior to the crash. Their proposals were to add petrol to the fire of the building boom. The major steps needed to stabilize the situation after the crash were Lenihan’s. FG simply screwed people over and talked about reclaiming economic sovereignty while they took orders from Germany. Which at least some Germans now admit were ideological. FG are a major reason why the country has the succession of crises it has. As well as really wanting to be west Brits at heart.


  • #145
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    wont be waiting long at this rate! Luxury tax payer funded apartments in dundrum for the workshy! wont be able to blame the german this time round!

    You were shown how FG are in the minority on the council who is bringing that in.


  • #146
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,228 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    except murphy is performing exactly how they want him too! hes's a sacrificial lamb!

    back to the normal practice of rip off prices that suit many here? yeah! Are all the decision makers here homeowners with vested interests in rising prices? Yes...

    you dont need to be sherlock holmes to crack this one!

    But sure all were told is no one can afford to buy houses anymore so that’s not a great master plan is it?


  • #147
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    If one person is handed a seat because their dad dies tragically and another gets it by climbing up the greasy pole - the pole climber will be more able.


    Look at the last FF government.
    Cowen - coffin climber
    Lenehan - coffin climber
    Hanafin - coffin climber
    Coughlan - coffin climber




    O'Cuiv every door opened
    Cullen every door opened


    Worst government in the history of the state.

    That must be it..........


  • #148
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    KWAG2019 wrote: »
    FG only avoided doing that because they lost the election prior to the crash. Their proposals were to add petrol to the fire of the building boom. The major steps needed to stabilize the situation after the crash were Lenihan’s. FG simply screwed people over and talked about reclaiming economic sovereignty while they took orders from Germany. Which at least some Germans now admit were ideological. FG are a major reason why the country has the succession of crises it has. As well as really wanting to be west Brits at heart.

    No, the writing was on the wall when McCreevy uttered the words "When I have it I will spend it, when I don't I won't spend it." The "It" was money from the European Central Bank.
    A few months later Bertie was in a cupboard advertising the Irish Sun and Cowan was langered talking crap on Morning Ireland.


  • #149
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,228 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    what was the last large piece of infrastructure that didnt involve an eye watering budget overspend?

    E voting machines -50 million

    Port tunnel- 800 million when was supposed to be 400 million.

    100 million wasted on mater hospital plans for the children’s hospital.

    That’s off the top of my head.

    Fianna Fáil have some brass neck.


  • #150
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,345 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Berserker wrote: »
    What party would you like then? You don't want FF, FG, the GP or any party that is going to bring in taxes like the carbon tax.
    He'll vote for the hurlers from the ditches and leave the issue of national governance and fiscal prudence to those that know better.


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  • #151
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He'll vote for the hurlers from the ditches and leave the issue of national governance and fiscal prudence to those that know better.

    I'm up for a laugh, who would that be now?

    "Sure I crash the car and blame you, but those lads have never even driven it, so give me the keys again" :)


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