The Healy Raes

Rows Grower wrote: »

This mornings "Top Stories" in the Independent.

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/rural-tds-heckle-green-party-leadereamon-ryan-as-he-brings-climate-bill-to-the-dail-40342021.html

That's not an article discussing the climate bill, nowhere in that article does it state anywhere what exactly is involved in the bill and how it will affect Irish people such as hundreds of briquette factory workers.
It just ridiculing rural tds for 'heckling' the government, which is exactly what the likes of Alliance 90/the greens would rather the newspapers talk about, rather than the importation of German peat briquettes.

buried wrote: »

That's not an article discussing the climate bill, nowhere in that article does it state anywhere what exactly is involved in the bill and how it will affect Irish people such as hundreds of briquette factory workers.
It just ridiculing rural tds for 'heckling' the government, which is exactly what the likes of Alliance 90/the greens would rather the newspapers talk about, rather than the importation of German peat briquettes.

That is the Healy Rae's fault though right? Their 'shtunts' and general bolloxology make it easy for the media to caricature their position. It plays well for a certain type of voter, but that doesn't equate to good and effective representatation.

Radio and TV producers now reach for the Healy Raes /Matty McGrath etc every time their is an issue concerning so called 'rural Ireland'. It gets a cheap laugh and good ratings.

This lot are disgracefully undermining the genuine concerns of rural constituencies for their own gain.

SlowBlowin wrote: »

This is something I have been thinking about.

Take the total CO2 output of say greater Dublin and divide by the population of greater Dublin -

Take the total CO2 output of Kerry and divide it by the population of Kerry -

Now you must include every bit of CO2 - every street light, cow belch, leisure centre, pub, shop, lorry, building activity, factory, docks, airport etc.

My guess is that the Kerry average will be a small fraction of the Dublin average.

I have a diesel car, burn peat, make my own electricity thats it, how about you ?

If you have a leaky roof full of holes do you start repairing the big holes first or the smaller ones ? Its the cities that are the big holes.

I have no figures on this, but I am willing to bet I am right, I contacted MHR and he said no such data exists in government, it should do.

Why the **** would you contact that ignorant gombeen about this? Apart, possibly, in order to get a demonstration of how (wilfully?) ignorant he is? Contact the Department of Environment, Climate and Communications. Contact the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland.

They will be able to tell you where the CO2 is being generated, what's being done about it, and what savings are being (or are not being made) by energy providers, industry, agriculture, the public service, etc.

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I have been assured that data for total CO2 by county/city is not available, please knock yourself out and prove me wrong.

Any comment on my guess about how CO2 dirty city folk are ?

So youre saying it would be greener if city folk moved to one off housing and were reliant on turf and needed 2 or 3 cars per household?

SlowBlowin wrote: »

This is something I have been thinking about.

Take the total CO2 output of say greater Dublin and divide by the population of greater Dublin -

Take the total CO2 output of Kerry and divide it by the population of Kerry -

Now you must include every bit of CO2 - every street light, cow belch, leisure centre, pub, shop, lorry, building activity, factory, docks, airport etc.

My guess is that the Kerry average will be a small fraction of the Dublin average.

I have a diesel car, burn peat, make my own electricity thats it, how about you ?

If you have a leaky roof full of holes do you start repairing the big holes first or the smaller ones ? Its the cities that are the big holes.

I have no figures on this, but I am willing to bet I am right, I contacted MHR and he said no such data exists in government, it should do.

Are you including the 145,000 cows owned by Kerry farmers in the calculation?

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Yes did you read my post ?

Sorry yes I see it now.
If you do, its Kerry per capita by a big margin

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I have been assured that data for total CO2 by county/city is not available, please knock yourself out and prove me wrong.

Any comment on my guess about how CO2 dirty city folk are ?

You do get that it doesn't matter one jot where you live if we - all of us - don't reduce CO2 emissions and keep global warming to less than 2 degrees?

Except, maybe, in the sense that you will see the effects much faster if you live near the coast or the floodplain of a river:

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/global-warming-map-shows-sligo-galway-and-mayo-underwater-by-2100

https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/9/-8.9025/51.9862/?theme=water_level&map_type=water_level_above_mhhw&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&refresh=true&water_level=2.0&water_unit=m (Kilgarvan, fares reasonably ok at 2 metres rise - not so much Listowel or Ballybunion, but I'm all right, Danny!)

The dirty city folk are indeed dirty. But a) I can tell you exactly how much CO2 my employer has generated over the last few years. And b) how much that's reduced, year on year, for the past few years. So we're doing our part. And seriously, the SEAI have all the data. Sure, it may well take work to map CO2 emissions from "Rural Co-op Teo." to County Roscommon and "Hi Tech Cloud Datacentre PLC" to County Clare, but it's possible. Maybe they don't do it because it'd be pointless?

We're genuinely all in this together, you know.

Also, like, if you don't want our LPT, income tax and direct spend from tourism that subsidises rural Ireland because we're dirty polluters, I'd happily not subsidise you.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The climate change bandwagon just had President Biden announce today that they are going to cut US emissions by at least half of 2005 levels by 2030.

It's a bit late now, but rural Ireland should never have been allowed to develop in a way that people just slapped houses wherever they felt like it, it means things like gas are impossible to provide, and everyone is dependent on cars.
Planning isn't really something that got much of a look in in Ireland over the decades, in cities or the countryside.

Okay for Biden to announce it, getting it passed is another thing, so don't get carried away with that one.

What do suggest people living in country do, abandon everything and head for the city's just to please a few loons, get real.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The climate change bandwagon just had President Biden announce today that they are going to cut US emissions by at least half of 2005 levels by 2030.

It's a bit late now, but rural Ireland should never have been allowed to develop in a way that people just slapped houses wherever they felt like it, it means things like gas are impossible to provide, and everyone is dependent on cars.
Planning isn't really something that got much of a look in in Ireland over the decades, in cities or the countryside.

Gas is a fossil fuel - its got to go too (unless its methane from carbon capture, but thats a long way off).

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Are you including the 145,000 cows owned by Kerry farmers in the calculation?

There's enough evidence out there now to show that cows actually sequester carbon. Where do you think all that manure goes?

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not a few loons, it's the US Government for one.
Well it wouldn't have to be cities but in Europe people live in towns and villages in clustered communities, you can provide services like broadband and gas that way.
But yeah it's not going to change here any time soon, so I don't know how they expect to change anything for the sake of the environment given the whole country is a giant beef and dairy farm with scattered housing everywhere.

Meanwhile China opening a new coal fired plant every week, but the good old laggards of Europe had to close our two peat burning plants to please a few muppets so the can further their own careers, costing thousands of jobs and destroying community's that was built up over the decades.

Danny has a touch of, cursing the darkness rather than lighting a light.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Meanwhile the USA announced to halve emissions by 2030. People like you used to say blah blah USA China before, you can't say that any more and the Chinese premier is attending the climate talks going on at the moment, I will not be surprised if they announce major plans to limit emissions.
The peat plants would have had to shut down eventually, peat isn't infinite.

As i said before announcing and doing are two different things, the American wont roll over as easy as the Irish when it starts to hit them in the pocket.

As for China, don't make me laugh, the will do what the like as always.

What about the rainforest, are the still cutting away or have the stopped yet.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Different man In private away from the media

Yes, I have met him and his father, not fools.

Water John wrote: »

Animals certainly could sequester carbon. Animal farming is much better environmentally than tillage. Lets start using good scientific research to guide us, not hunches from either side.

Where's that gif of yer man from Futurama, with his eyes narrowing... "Can't tell if trolling or seriously believes that..."