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30-04-2020, 01:21   #631
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Yep, an extra 16 euro per 1,000 litres thanks to the Green party, and that's only this year.
The GP were not in Govt last year.
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30-04-2020, 01:34   #632
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One thing I've learned since the price of oil collapsed is that there is an oil futures market. Am I right in saying that the price of crude oil for june was already agreed upon by producers?
If these prices were publicised or made more easily available all the time wouldnt the consumer have a better insight into what prices were coming down the track for the refined products such as petrol, diesel and kero??
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The GP were not in Govt last year.
No, but they were when carbon tax was introduced initially.
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Care to explain?
I think they might be implying that when transport fuel costs will also vary with general oil prices changes. That said the variation is far less on diesel at the pump than on kerosene, but thats the only correlation I can think of.
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30-04-2020, 09:23   #635
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Care to explain?
Sorry, but I don’t have the time, motivation or crayons to explain it to you.
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30-04-2020, 09:29   #636
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No, but they were when carbon tax was introduced initially.
The Greens were also in government when the usc was introduced are they also responsible for it been still here 3 elections later?
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30-04-2020, 09:32   #637
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Cosgrave oil in Limerick 34c Litre. 1000 litres for 340euro
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The Greens were also in government when the usc was introduced are they also responsible for it been still here 3 elections later?
The Greens are a wreckless bunch out of touch with reality, only 7 months ago they were calling for the carbon tax to be doubled.
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Kellehers in Kerry and Cork just put their price up from 370 to 400.
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The Greens are a wreckless bunch out of touch with reality, only 7 months ago they were calling for the carbon tax to be doubled.
I'll add to that our present government are a bunch of lapdogs. Imagine Germany have 25 years to decommission their coal powered plants while Poland are building 8 more this year, but our lads sign up to this carbon reduction straight off 😌
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One thing I've learned since the price of oil collapsed is that there is an oil futures market. Am I right in saying that the price of crude oil for june was already agreed upon by producers?
If these prices were publicised or made more easily available all the time wouldnt the consumer have a better insight into what prices were coming down the track for the refined products such as petrol, diesel and kero??
I presume there are futures markets in many commodities.

"Agreed upon by producers" - the spot and futures prices go up and down all the time, they are not set.

OPEC, the oil cartel, tries to change output from its producers to influence the price.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/prices.php
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The Greens are a wreckless bunch out of touch with reality, only 7 months ago they were calling for the carbon tax to be doubled.
"reckless"

I am sympathetic towards environmental concerns, and I favour large increases in carbon taxes, and cuts in income taxes.

However, given the vast increases in emissions from China, I agree that our efforts here are very minor.
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This link shows the actual live price that Brent Crude Oil is trading at, it's all over the shop in the last ten minutes

http://www.livecharts.co.uk/MarketCharts/brent.php..
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Sorry, but I don’t have the time, motivation or crayons to explain it to you.
That's always the answer of someone that doesn't know.

So a tanker driver and administration staff cost more when oil is more expensive?

Do they get paid higher wages?


I was connected to an independent fuel retailer many years ago that also distributed heating oil and they and every other fuel seller always had a fixed cent (pence back then) they added to the wholesale cost on fuel.


On other goods such as confectionery, it was worked on a margin basis, but fuel has always been a cent per litre addition when calculating the consumer price.


As for current prices, production is being cut back by Russia which is stabilising prices.
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Sorry, but I don’t have the time, motivation or crayons to explain it to you.
That's always the answer of someone that doesn't know.

So a tanker driver and administration staff cost more when oil is more expensive?

Do they get paid higher wages?


I was connected to an independent fuel retailer many years ago that also distributed heating oil and they and every other fuel seller always had a fixed cent (pence back then) they added to the wholesale cost on fuel.


On other goods such as confectionery, it was worked on a margin basis, but fuel has always been a cent per litre addition when calculating the consumer price.


As for current prices, production is being cut back by Russia which is stabilising prices.
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