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Tralee to Fenit Greenway

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    #92
    Quaderno
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    kingdumb wrote: »
    The part VIII planning application was submitted to Tralee Town Council for the Tralee urban part of the route.

    And they haven't been idle in the meantime. Pipe-laying on the track is now almost finished:

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    #93
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    when will constrction begin on the Rock Street to Mounhawk section of the line?


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    #94
    Judgement Day
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    Only in Ireland could a greenway be constructed on a railway line that has never been officially closed. :rolleyes:


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    #95
    Kerry County Council
    Site Banned Posts: 60 ✭✭Kerry County Council


    The public consultation period for the Rock Street-Mounthawk section of the Tralee to Fenit Amenity Trail is now open. Maps/details are on display at the Tralee Town Council offices until June 28th, and are also available on the link below.

    http://www.traleetc.ie/news/title,7188,en.html

    Members of the public may make observations/submissions until 5pm, July 12th.

    All such observations/submissions may be made in writing to 'Town Clerk, Tralee Town Council, Princes Quay, Tralee, and must be made before 5pm on July 12th 2012.


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    #96
    Quackster
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Only in Ireland could a greenway be constructed on a railway line that has never been officially closed. :rolleyes:

    It's the fact that it hasn't been abondoned that protects the line from squatters. Well legally speaking anyway if not in practice. :rolleyes:


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    #97
    kingdumb
    Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    When will the planning documents be going online ?
    All that is up there is the maps and newspaper ad/notice, none of the planning documents/reports are up.
    Kerry County Council wrote: »
    The public consultation period for the Rock Street-Mounthawk section of the Tralee to Fenit Amenity Trail is now open. Maps/details are on display at the Tralee Town Council offices until June 28th, and are also available on the link below.

    http://www.traleetc.ie/news/title,7188,en.html

    Members of the public may make observations/submissions until 5pm, July 12th.

    All such observations/submissions may be made in writing to 'Town Clerk, Tralee Town Council, Princes Quay, Tralee, and must be made before 5pm on July 12th 2012.


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    #98
    Quaderno
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    Just spotted on radiokerry.ie/news:
    radiokerry.ie wrote:
    15 Jun 2012
    Limerick rail-trail to be extended to Kerry border

    Efforts to extend the Great Southern Trail from Limerick to Kerry have received a boost.
    €290,000 is to be spent on the extension by Limerick County Council
    The disused railway is being gradually redeveloped as a recreational walking and cycling track.
    Group walks are regularly held along the 22-mile stretch from Rathkeale to Abbeyfeale.
    The new fund will see the track extended to the Kerry border at Barnagh.
    The Great Southern Trail committee has welcomed the new grant and expressed its hope that Kerry County Council would develop the trail in Kerry.
    The disused line runs through Kilmorna, Listowel, Lixnaw, Abbeydorney, Ardfert and Traleee.
    It links up with the Tralee-Fenit line which is being developed as a greenway walk.

    Great news!


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    #99
    pooka on wheels
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭pooka on wheels


    i'v been following the discussion on the Tralee- Limerick line for a while. Several times it has been referred to as an abandoned line. To my knowlege for a rail line to be abandoned CIE has to advertise in the local papers that they are abandoning the route. When this happens adjoining land owners are entilted to take over the land.

    In the case of the Limerick - Tralee line far from abandoning the line CIE a number of years ago laid a fibre optic cable along the old line which as far as I know is still active


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    #100
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    actually the line has been abandoned..and it came very close to going back to the landowners..too close for comfort..it came down to meeting between limerick county council/landowners/iarnoid eireann and the great southern trail ...to sign off the property..intense pressure from irish farming organisations created this..anyway the decision was put on hold for a few months...and low and behold a gentleman called Denis o brien came on the scene with a proposal to put a fibre optic cable under the bed of the line from limerick to tralee...this happened some weeks after the big meeting with all the stakeholders of the line...iarnoad eireann got compensation for the cable and as the saying goes money talks...following that a preservation order now is on the line....IT CAME OH SO CLOSE TO BEING LOST...


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    #101
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    TO SIMPLIFY THIS PREVIOUS COMMENT...
    THE LINE HAS INDEED BEEN ABANDONED.
    THE RAILWAY FORMATION IS STILL OWNED BY IARNOAD EIREANN..
    A PRESERVATION ORDER NOW EXISTS FOR THE RAILWAY FORMATION.
    THE PROPERTY BETWEEN BOTH DITCHES OF THE ONCE RAILWAY...:D..


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    #102
    Quackster
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    trail man wrote: »
    TO SIMPLIFY THIS PREVIOUS COMMENT...
    THE LINE HAS INDEED BEEN ABANDONED.
    THE RAILWAY FORMATION IS STILL OWNED BY IARNOAD EIREANN..
    A PRESERVATION ORDER NOW EXISTS FOR THE RAILWAY FORMATION.
    THE PROPERTY BETWEEN BOTH DITCHES OF THE ONCE RAILWAY...:D..

    Hi Trail Man, that is indeed true. I wonder what the legal situation is with individuals gaining squatters' rights on this line is though, must look into that. The Tralee/Fenit line is completely protected as it has never been formally abandoned. I know of a number of illegal incursions onto the Tralee/Limerick line in Kerry which are being completely ignored, fibre optic cable or not!


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    #103
    trail man
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭trail man


    well its complicated somewhat..
    squatters are a problem..for sure..Technically they have no rights to the line..IN AN IDEAL world iarnoad eireann would take these people on and get the off the line..That wont happen..as they dont want to get any bad publicity..now if the county council were to take control in total of line
    as technically they are the only group that can..Then thats a different kettle of fish..WOULD THE COUNCIL HAVE THE BOTTLE TO TAKE THEM ON ????.
    or shame them off the line by regularly highlighting the problem in the media..:cool:..


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    #104
    kingdumb
    Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    That is great news,
    Hopefully Kerry County Council will row in behind this 100% seen as it is an objective of the county development plan.
    Quaderno wrote: »
    Just spotted on radiokerry.ie/news:

    Originally Posted by radiokerry.ie
    15 Jun 2012
    Limerick rail-trail to be extended to Kerry border

    Efforts to extend the Great Southern Trail from Limerick to Kerry have received a boost.
    €290,000 is to be spent on the extension by Limerick County Council
    The disused railway is being gradually redeveloped as a recreational walking and cycling track.
    Group walks are regularly held along the 22-mile stretch from Rathkeale to Abbeyfeale.
    The new fund will see the track extended to the Kerry border at Barnagh.
    The Great Southern Trail committee has welcomed the new grant and expressed its hope that Kerry County Council would develop the trail in Kerry.
    The disused line runs through Kilmorna, Listowel, Lixnaw, Abbeydorney, Ardfert and Traleee.
    It links up with the Tralee-Fenit line which is being developed as a greenway walk.



    Great news!


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    #105
    Quackster
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    Unfortunately KCC have yet to even take on the squatters on the Fenit line so I won't be holding my breath that we'll see any progress on the Limerick line any time soon. Still, the extension to the county border creates added impetus for the remaining missing piece of the jigsaw to be completed but I think it will only take concerted public pressure to shame KCC into action.

    Fortunately, local elections are coming up in 2014 so councillors will be getting increasingly sensitive to local public demands over the next 2 years...


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    #106
    kingdumb
    Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    Unfortunately the sensitive to local public demands that they seem to bow to quickest is the 1 voter who wants small garden extension rather than the 1000's who will benefit from the re-opening of these routes !
    Quackster wrote: »
    Fortunately, local elections are coming up in 2014 so councillors will be getting increasingly sensitive to local public demands over the next 2 years...


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    #107
    pooka on wheels
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭pooka on wheels


    kingdumb wrote: »
    Unfortunately the sensitive to local public demands that they seem to bow to quickest is the 1 voter who wants small garden extension rather than the 1000's who will benefit from the re-opening of these routes !

    Is now the time to plan a postcard or e-mail campaign to local councillors to let them know how many people are supporting the opening of the two rail lines for walking / cycling? These are the people who will be pushing themselvs forward for the photo shoots when the Rock St. to Mounthawk section opens.

    We could always name individuals, especially those in business in Tralee and demand that the councils do not deal with them until they vacate the line.:D


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    #108
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Go ahead for first section of Tralee Fenit walk and cycleway

    The first section of the Tralee Fenit walk and cycleway has been given the go ahead. Councillors at Tralee Town Council last night voted to give the green light to the construction of the footpath and cycleway along the old rail line between Rock Street and Bracker O'Regan Road, Tralee. It's hoped funding will be available to develop it next year. The project involves the development of a walk and cycleway along the old railway line between Tralee and Fenit. It's being jointly developed by Tralee Town Council and Kerry County Council. There's been some opposition from some landowners along the railway line regarding the development. Plans for this section, between Rock Street and Bracker O'Regan Road Tralee, went out on public consultation, and 221 submissions were made in support of it. The council has since redesigned the car park on Rock Street, which will be one of three access points to the path. There will also be access between Rock Park Avenue and Brendan's Park, and at the Bracker O'Regan Road. Tralee Town Manager Michael McMahon says while there's currently no funding in place, the council has made an application, and he's confident the council will be successful in its application in 2013.

    http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/


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    #109
    kingdumb
    Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    Well what opposition ?
    The submission received 221 individual submission plus a number from groups/organisations, from these only one was opposed to the plan, and at that that objector was not objecting to the greenway itself, but saying that it should be reopened as a railway, [which would be great but I can't see that happening any time soon.]

    This is case in point, this project has been delayed for years due to the rumours that there is opposition to the plan, if there is opposition why did they not not make themselves heard ?



    pooka on wheels wrote: »
    Is now the time to plan a postcard or e-mail campaign to local councillors to let them know how many people are supporting the opening of the two rail lines for walking / cycling? These are the people who will be pushing themselvs forward for the photo shoots when the Rock St. to Mounthawk section opens.

    We could always name individuals, especially those in business in Tralee and demand that the councils do not deal with them until they vacate the line.:D


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    #110
    pookiesboo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭pookiesboo


    Pardon my ignorance but where is the walkway, wouldnt mind a new route for walking?


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    #111
    Quaderno
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    pookiesboo wrote: »
    Pardon my ignorance but where is the walkway, wouldnt mind a new route for walking?

    It hasn't been built yet, but the walkway will eventually follow the old railway line to Fenit, which basically connected the train station in Tralee with what is now the playground in Fenit. The first stage of the walkway will start in Rock Street between Kingdom Motor Factors and Horan's Fruit and will connect to Bracker O'Regan Road just behind the Mounthawk Secondary School. You can already walk that part.


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    #112
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    I passed today and I saw a digger on the mounthawk section and the gates were open. Is there digging starting there? . Just found this. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=tralee%20to%20fenit%20walkway&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.traleetc.ie%2Fplanning%2Fpublicconsultationontraleetofenitamenitytra%2Ffile%2C7290%2Cen.pdf&ei=daeFUOu8B5KAhQfOpoHwCw&usg=AFQjCNHp-AbdoxFQDypzFrxMeqpBAS6KoA


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    #113
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    kingdumb wrote: »
    Well what opposition ?
    The submission received 221 individual submission plus a number from groups/organisations, from these only one was opposed to the plan, and at that that objector was not objecting to the greenway itself, but saying that it should be reopened as a railway, [which would be great but I can't see that happening any time soon.]

    He's right in one way, once it goes 'Greenway' (hate the term but what can you do) it will be unlikely to go back to rail use, but on the other hand it's too short for a preserved line, goes nowhere, has no supporters apart from the now inoperational Great Southern Rly Pres. Society in the 80's (not to be confused with the G.S. Trail) and is of no commercial use to CIE/IE.


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    #114
    Kerry County Council
    Site Banned Posts: 60 ✭✭Kerry County Council


    stevielenihan wrote: »
    I passed today and I saw a digger on the mounthawk section and the gates were open. Is there digging starting there? . Just found this. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=tralee%20to%20fenit%20walkway&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.traleetc.ie%2Fplanning%2Fpublicconsultationontraleetofenitamenitytra%2Ffile%2C7290%2Cen.pdf&ei=daeFUOu8B5KAhQfOpoHwCw&usg=AFQjCNHp-AbdoxFQDypzFrxMeqpBAS6KoA


    We're carrying out some works along the route including building block walls at the rear of some of the properties in Rockpark Avenue where they back onto the line. We'll also be erecting some fencing as part of the works.


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    #115
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Just so long as the finished project isn't too sterile with high block walls everywhere.

    Also graffitti 'artists' find it harder to put 'artworks' on fencing.


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    #116
    Kerry County Council
    Site Banned Posts: 60 ✭✭Kerry County Council


    gobnaitolunacy wrote: »
    Just so long as the finished project isn't too sterile with high block walls everywhere.

    Also graffitti 'artists' find it harder to put 'artworks' on fencing.


    True. The block walls are for the back gardens for the residents of Rockpark Avenue. To be fair to them, railings wouldn't work along there for them.

    It would be our intention to do some landscaping along by the block walls to 'soften' them.


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    #117
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Kerry County Council wrote: »
    We're carrying out some works along the route including building block walls at the rear of some of the properties in Rockpark Avenue where they back onto the line. We'll also be erecting some fencing as part of the works.




    Any idea of when construction might begin?


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    #118
    Kerry County Council
    Site Banned Posts: 60 ✭✭Kerry County Council


    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Any idea of when construction might begin?

    That's why the activity is there now. They're starting or have started.


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    #119
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Kerry County Council wrote: »
    That's why the activity is there now. They're starting or have started.



    When should this be complete~? Maby someone might get photos as construction progress


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    #120
    stevielenihan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Hows the work goign so far?


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    #121
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    What would be the situ with the Castleisland branch (Gortatlea-Castleisland)

    AFAIK it was closed in the 70's and lifted in the 80's, is the trackbed still owned by IE?

    Might be another contender for a walking trail.


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