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Should the 14 day quarantine for tourists and Irish remain?

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    #62
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    It’s mandatory from next week- and hopefully our government and gardai have the balls and capability to actually enforce it. I’m sick of seeing traveller scum flout the rules like none of it applies to them

    You are incorrect “ Asked about making the 14-day self-isolation period mandatory, he said that would take more time to organise than today's announcement about passenger locator forms.“

    The law is about the passenger locator forms.


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    #63
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    It’s mandatory from next week- and hopefully our government and gardai have the balls and capability to actually enforce it. I’m sick of seeing traveller scum flout the rules like none of it applies to them

    The form filling is mandatory, the isolation part from reading the legislation is not enforceable. They can check in on you but theres not much they can do if your not isolating.

    Legislation whatever way they want to put it out to the public only made the form mandatory today.


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    #64
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    You are incorrect “ Asked about making the 14-day self-isolation period mandatory, he said that would take more time to organise than today's announcement about passenger locator forms.“

    It'll take time to regulate as the EU wont allow it come middle of June


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    #65
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The form filling is mandatory, the isolation part from reading the legislation is not enforceable. They can check in on you but theres not much they can do if your not isolating.

    Legislation whatever way they want to put it out to the public only made the form mandatory today.


    Thought as much.


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    #66
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The form filling is mandatory, the isolation part from reading the legislation is not enforceable. They can check in on you but theres not much they can do if your not isolating.

    Legislation whatever way they want to put it out to the public only made the form mandatory today.

    That’s not acceptable so they need to revise it to include mandatory isolation in a government facility - no excuses. You step off a plane or ferry here and you are out of the picture for 2 weeks minimum.


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    #67
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,378 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    murphyebass wrote: »
    There is no reopen safely. None.

    There will be a second wave because people are already flaunting the laws now never mind when you get your wish and they can do whatever the **** they want.

    If there is no safe reopening what's your solution? Sit and wait for a vaccine?

    Utter madness


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    #68
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    That’s not acceptable so they need to revise it to include mandatory isolation in a government facility - no excuses. You step off a plane or ferry here and you are out of the picture for 2 weeks minimum.

    Can't be done looking at EU law, they've been looking at it since March. Highly likely Brussels have told them it's not possible as EU law includes free movement within the bloc.

    Was said last week that they want all border controls lifted together and with most countries looking at the week of the 15th June and this legislation up for review on the 18th it just seems quite convenient


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    #69
    Jakey Rolling
    Registered Users Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Jakey Rolling


    Is this form filling also being applied at Ferry ports?

    Wonder how it works for technicians and the like travelling either direction, who are coming in to service or repair essential equipment? They can't be waiting around for 14 days before heading back, for a 24 day wait at the other end!

    100412.2526@compuserve.com



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    #70
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    That’s not acceptable so they need to revise it to include mandatory isolation in a government facility - no excuses. You step off a plane or ferry here and you are out of the picture for 2 weeks minimum.

    Life needs to get back to normal. People have families abroad. I agree that we need caution but we can’t isolate people forever into the future.


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    #71
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Could I fly in and out of Belfast and avoid this quarantine measure?


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    #72
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Life needs to get back to normal. People have families abroad. I agree that we need caution but we can’t isolate people forever into the future.

    We do but we need to be cautious, and part of that is absolutely no inbound or outbound traffic to the US for example. If they have an orange imbecile who has gone full retard pulling the strings that’s their own problem - absolutely No travel to or from US until the infection rate decreases to an acceptable level, or someone capable of actual thought takes the helm. And tough **** if they don’t like it.


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    #73
    [Deleted User]
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    Could I fly in and out of Belfast and avoid this quarantine measure?

    Yes, no quarantine restrictions between NI and Ireland.


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    #74
    bekker
    Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It'll take time to regulate as the EU wont allow it come middle of June
    The EU has no competence on health issues, likewise with security issues.


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    #75
    murphyebass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭murphyebass


    AdamD wrote: »
    If there is no safe reopening what's your solution? Sit and wait for a vaccine?

    Utter madness

    A vaccine would be fantastic but more likely is a more reliable form of treatment.

    Opening/reopening the country will not work. It just won’t.

    This particular virus spreads incredibly quickly as we’ve already seen.

    The asymptomatic part of it is most terrifying part of how it spreads.

    You could be on a group of people or even one on one and everyone thinks it’s all grand yet it is spreading.

    Multiply that out as the country “reopens”.

    People need to cop the **** on.


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    #76
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    Is there still flights running?


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    #77
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    murphyebass wrote: »
    A vaccine would be fantastic but more likely is a more reliable form of treatment.

    Opening/reopening the country will not work. It just won’t.

    This particular virus spreads incredibly quickly as we’ve already seen.

    The asymptomatic part of it is most terrifying part of how it spreads.

    You could be on a group of people or even one on one and everyone thinks it’s all grand yet it is spreading.

    Multiply that out as the country “reopens”.

    People need to cop the **** on.

    The country is already re-opening, more through people taking a DIY approach because there is no leadership.

    The rest of Europe is way ahead of us in their re-openings. They're all doing it safely. You can freely see your family, earn an honest living, socialise, get a haircut, and live a normal life in the rest of Europe.

    It's not safe to keep paying €115,000,000 per month to keep private hospitals empty and depriving people of medical treatment which they need. It's not safe to scare the public away from attending public hospitals. It's not safe to destroy people's families, homes and jobs as a result of the restrictions, and ultimately cause deaths through depression and suicide. You don't have a problem with any of that though.


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    #78
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    It's absurd. The law of averages says 97 or 98 out of every 100 of those in forced isolation for two weeks will be perfectly healthy.


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    #79
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    That’s not acceptable so they need to revise it to include mandatory isolation in a government facility - no excuses. You step off a plane or ferry here and you are out of the picture for 2 weeks minimum.

    A piss take surely?


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    #80
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    A piss take surely?

    What concerns me is when you see these “ suggestions” i have to wonder what kinda of time frame the lock us up for 14 days brigade have truly in their minds. As we all know the virus is never going to vanish so i’m guessing they all want that rule indefinately even if there was only just one case report in the world. I would find that disturbing.

    Thankfully the EU will prevent it from happening they want the world moving, tourism/aviation is big money. The virus risk is getting lower all the time. I have no intention of travelling this year but as the virus risk gets lower i would chance it maybe next year onwards. As time goes on life will find a way to normality.


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    #81
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I’m just going to fly in and out of Belfast for my holiday. No quarantine necessary.


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    #82
    otnomart
    Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Interesting Tweet from France 24 journalist:
    "We may soon see all continental Europe (Schengen area) require a quarantine for visitors from the UK & Ireland this summer.
    That may mean just 2 'travel bubbles': the British Isles, and Continental Europe."

    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1264152186038222853


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    #83
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    What human right is infringed upon, by a state stipulating conditions upon entry? People have given out for years that we have a relatively relaxed notion to border control primarily focused on protecting the exchequer. Now they are focusing on movement of people and its frowned upon? Are people not annoyed by the strawberry pickers anymore?

    Freedom of movement in the EU for a start. The new law applies as much to Irish citizens as it does to EU citizens so it is dissuading the vast majority of potential travellers from doing so while making an exception for Northern Ireland.

    It’s also indirectly contributing to an increase in the nation’s poverty levels as the economic toll continues.

    While I’m not trying to sound like GoD or JW, this measure is out of sync with our EU partners and comes at a time when a tiered system should be applied rather than a generalised approach. The government, based on CMO’s recommendation had even been considering a quarantine facility for incoming travellers.

    Ultimately we now have an unelected civil servant making decisions that have a greater impact on the citizens of Ireland and the EU. The goalposts for the virus management have moved repeatedly and while diligence is necessary, the r0 is now below 0.5 and the curve flattened. The CMO is going to make conservative medical decisions. He is not authorised nor elected to make political or economic decisions. Balance is that regard.

    I support some measures of monitoring incoming travellers. However treating Irish citizens returning from or visitors from Liechtenstein (83 total cases) the same way as people returning/flying from the USA makes no sense, medically/economically/politically.


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    #84
    Rodin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Nobody should be allowed in until Im allowed to move more than 5k!


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    #85
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    faceman wrote: »
    Freedom of movement in the EU for a start. The new law applies as much to Irish citizens as it does to EU citizens so it is dissuading the vast majority of potential travellers from doing so while making an exception for Northern Ireland.

    It’s also indirectly contributing to an increase in the nation’s poverty levels as the economic toll continues.

    While I’m not trying to sound like GoD or JW, this measure is out of sync with our EU partners and comes at a time when a tiered system should be applied rather than a generalised approach. The government, based on CMO’s recommendation had even been considering a quarantine facility for incoming travellers.

    Ultimately we now have an unelected civil servant making decisions that have a greater impact on the citizens of Ireland and the EU. The goalposts for the virus management have moved repeatedly and while diligence is necessary, the r0 is now below 0.5 and the curve flattened. The CMO is going to make conservative medical decisions. He is not authorised nor elected to make political or economic decisions. Balance is that regard.

    I support some measures of monitoring incoming travellers. However treating Irish citizens returning from or visitors from Liechtenstein (83 total cases) the same way as people returning/flying from the USA makes no sense, medically/economically/politically.

    And what is your main driver for reaching this conclusion? Would you benefit if this quarantine was not in place?

    Do you or a significant other work in the affected sector?

    You seem genuine and I’m genuinely trying to understand your point of view.

    I don’t hold that view based on the fact it’s a pandemic and cordon sanetaire have been around for hundreds of years.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire


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    #86
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Isn't it mad that the lower your post count or more recent your join date the more opposed you are to this measure.

    Odd isn't it.


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    #87
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Hold on, the cmo is an advisor, they can choose not to take his advice, an unexpected official is not legislating.


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    #88
    irishguitarlad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad


    I booked flights home there for late July, will this law still be in place at that time? I'll be staying with my parents.


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    #89
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    This quarantine is yet another perfect example of the complete and utter incompetents we have running this nation. Quarantine three or four months ago? When it would have actually made a difference? Fantastic. Quarantine today months after the fact, when everywhere else is opening up? Idiotic. It's like trying to prevent a pregnancy by wearing a condom when she's in the second trimester.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #90
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Wibbs wrote: »
    This quarantine is yet another perfect example of the complete and utter incompetents we have running this nation. Quarantine three or four months ago? When it would have actually made a difference? Fantastic. Quarantine today months after the fact, when everywhere else is opening up? Idiotic. It's like trying to prevent a pregnancy by wearing a condom when she's in the second trimester.

    One of the best comparisons I've read on here, that gave me a good laugh.

    Couldn't agree more, its pointless now.


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    #91
    Benimar
    Registered Users Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Wibbs wrote: »
    This quarantine is yet another perfect example of the complete and utter incompetents we have running this nation. Quarantine three or four months ago? When it would have actually made a difference? Fantastic. Quarantine today months after the fact, when everywhere else is opening up? Idiotic. It's like trying to prevent a pregnancy by wearing a condom when she's in the second trimester.

    So you would be happy to allow people from the US and England enter the country and walk around freely?

    No point in putting out a fire in your house and immediately inviting in pyromaniacs!


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