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    #3062
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,469 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Just....

    The acronym isnt enough here....

    What

    Da

    FXXK

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DKMjgnGW4AEehDW.jpg


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    #3063
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,742 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I don't think there's much of a statistical basis for any claim in the subheads on that front page, including the "huge" increase in numbers cycling (on a UK-wide basis, it's stagnant).


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    #3064
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Looks like they're trying to blame the earthquake on cyclists too.


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    #3065
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Doc07 wrote: »
    'The defendant had no previous convictions of any kind'

    So fu€&King what! He 'clipped' a cyclist to the ground and left the scene and had to be tracked down by the Garda. Don't case if he was a heart surgeon or paedophile.

    Judge: This is a serious crime
    CramCycle: I have never flayed a person and made a dress out of their skin, before.
    Judge: Well when you put it like that.


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    #3066
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    amsterdam doing more experiments with removing traffic signals:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/sep/22/what-happens-if-you-turn-off-the-traffic-lights


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    #3067
    Borderfox
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwHfibl1AoI

    Tried in the UK with good results


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    #3068
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I love the way children are the only ones who realise why it has happened. All the adults are surprised and don't understand. Children realise that people are not staring at the lights almost instantly and that it is safer and more sociable.


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    #3069
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-of-daily-dublin-cyclists-doubles-to-more-than-95-000-1.3230465
    22/09/2017 Number of Dublin cyclists doubles to over 95,000 daily bike users
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-of-dublin-cyclists-doubles-to-over-95-000-daily-bike-users-1.3230465 1/4
    Sorcha Pollak
    Number of Dublin cyclists doubles to over 95,000
    daily bike users
    Dublinbikes has played an important role in steady rise of cyclists across the capital


    The number of cyclists in Dublin city has more than doubled in the past six years, with more
    than 95,000 people using their bikes in the capital every day.
    The number of Dublinbike users has also soared in recent years, with 16,285 people availing
    daily of the city bike service, up from 4,474 in 2010.
    The latest cycling figures from Dublin City Council reveal that cycling is becoming increasingly
    popular in the capital, with the number of bike users rising by more than 17 per cent between
    2015 and 2016.
    An average of 89,092 cyclists were recorded using their bikes around the city centre last year
    compared to just 40,030 bike users in 2011. The total number of cyclists in Dublin hit 95,166
    for 2016 when the Rosie Hackett Bridge was included in the data.
    The Samuel Beckett Bridge was added to the count following its construction in 2011 and the
    Rosie Hackett Bridge was added in 2015.
    Numbers have been steadily rising over the past six years, with 61,285 cyclists counted in 2013
    and 77,345 counted in 2015.
    The busiest spots in the city for cyclists include Burgh Quay, D’Olier Street, Aston Quay, Dame
    Street, George’s Street, Eden Quay and O’Connell Street.
    Some 6,319 cyclists passed through Dame Street and George’s street daily in 2016, while 7,353
    people cycled down O’Connell Street and Eden Quay.
    The number of cyclists along the East Link Bridge, North Wall Quay and East Wall Road
    soared by nearly 80 per cent between 2015 and 2016, while numbers on Memorial Road,
    Custom House Quay and George’s Quay rose by nearly 70 per cent.
    Last year’s count of cyclists in Dublin was carried out from May 11th - 31st over 12 hours
    between 7am-7pm on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.


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    #3070
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Older Dutch cyclists warned after rise in electric bike deaths
    Netherlands police call for safety courses as data shows more riders die on e-bikes than mopeds, with 90% of deaths among over 60s
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/older-dutch-cyclists-warned-surge-electric-bike-deaths-police-netherlands

    i wonder if this is skewing their cycling fatality stats? the wording in the article hints that at some level, they're counted separately.


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    #3071
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    Older Dutch cyclists warned after rise in electric bike deaths
    Netherlands police call for safety courses as data shows more riders die on e-bikes than mopeds, with 90% of deaths among over 60s
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/older-dutch-cyclists-warned-surge-electric-bike-deaths-police-netherlands

    i wonder if this is skewing their cycling fatality stats? the wording in the article hints that at some level, they're counted separately.

    Deadly things. A friend (relatively young and tough) came off one at 30km/h and made a hames of his wrist.


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    #3072
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,742 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    Older Dutch cyclists warned after rise in electric bike deaths
    Netherlands police call for safety courses as data shows more riders die on e-bikes than mopeds, with 90% of deaths among over 60s

    But e-bikes have effectively replaced mopeds in the Netherlands, so it's not that surprising that more deaths would occur on them. I saw a graph of the respective sales, and moped sales have crashed as e-bike sales have soared.

    It's also possible that about 90% of e-bike sales are to the over-60s. Also, the article doesn't distinguish between pedelecs and fast electric bikes. Pedelecs, from what I understand, are very like normal bikes and are quite hard to hit high speeds on.

    I see on Twitter that there's pressure to get motorised scooters off the cycle infrastructure in the Netherlands, which is a good idea.


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    #3073
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,742 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    UK Transport Minister demands that cyclists convene one of their secret conclaves.

    http://road.cc/content/news/229656-obey-transport-minister-tells-cyclists-follow-highway-code%E2%80%A6-well-he-asks-leaders

    Basically, some sort of Daily Mail/UKIP chip has been planted in the brain of everyone in the British cabinet.


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    #3074
    Idleater
    Registered Users Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭Idleater


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Deadly things. A friend (relatively young and tough) came off one at 30km/h and made a hames of his wrist.

    Not medical advice and I'm not a doctor, but I was told by my doctor after I came off my motorcycle with a sore wrist that the problem with falling is you put your hand out to brace the fall, but there's a tiny bone (scaphoid) in the palm that if broken is difficult to reset.


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    #3075
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Idleater wrote: »
    Not medical advice and I'm not a doctor, but I was told by my doctor after I came off my motorcycle with a sore wrist that the problem with falling is you put your hand out to brace the fall, but there's a tiny bone (scaphoid) in the palm that if broken is difficult to reset.

    My brother broke that bone and it wasn't picked up on X-rays at the time.

    It was about 2 years later, with limited mobility and another X-ray that it was noticed but by this time the bone had started to wither.

    He had to have surgery and a piece of bone was cut from his leg, shaped and pinned into his wrist.

    Then the physio started.

    All that from a fairly innocuous bang playing sport, that felt more like a sprain than a broken wrist.


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    #3076
    HivemindXX
    Registered Users Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭HivemindXX


    The busiest spots in the city for cyclists include Burgh Quay, D’Olier Street, Aston Quay, Dame Street, George’s Street, Eden Quay and O’Connell Street.

    They must only include the core of the city centre. It's very hard to believe that any of them beats the Grand Canal for density of cyclists.


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    #3077
    MediaMan
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭MediaMan


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    UK Transport Minister demands that cyclists convene one of their secret conclaves.

    http://road.cc/content/news/229656-obey-transport-minister-tells-cyclists-follow-highway-code%E2%80%A6-well-he-asks-leaders

    Basically, some sort of Daily Mail/UKIP chip has been planted in the brain of everyone in the British cabinet.

    This very interesting article was referred to in the comments to the above article:

    http://singletrackworld.com/2017/09/the-law-will-be-fixed/

    Perhaps a bit of a conspiracy theory, but you never know... Modal cleansing - removing cyclists and others undesirables from the roads to pave the way for self-drive vehicles!


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    #3078
    MediaMan
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭MediaMan


    This very interesting article was referred to in the comments to the above article:

    http://singletrackworld.com/2017/09/the-law-will-be-fixed/

    Perhaps a bit of a conspiracy theory, but you never know... Modal cleansing - removing cyclists and others undesirables from the roads to pave the way for self-drive vehicles!

    Still on this article, does this sound familiar?
    Even though techniques of influence in the 1920s were not subtle by today’s standards, the lobby knew where best to channel its efforts: schools, governments, the police and the media all played their part in the motor lobby’s complete overhaul of public attitudes, all complicit in laundering the pro-car, anti-pedestrian propaganda.

    I'm looking at the RSA's and the media's attitude to cycling in a new light!


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    #3079
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    It's also possible that about 90% of e-bike sales are to the over-60s.
    yep, i was wondering if before, when people got a bit too old to keep cycling, they might simply revert to foot (rather than get a moped), but going from bike to e-bike seems a much more fluid transition.

    also, and this might sound a bit ghoulish, but if the numbers of elderly people cycling has gone up - how does survivability of a given accident decline as age goes up?


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    #3080
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,742 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    MediaMan wrote: »
    This very interesting article was referred to in the comments to the above article:

    http://singletrackworld.com/2017/09/the-law-will-be-fixed/

    Perhaps a bit of a conspiracy theory, but you never know... Modal cleansing - removing cyclists and others undesirables from the roads to pave the way for self-drive vehicles!

    I rather like Bez, and I really hope he's wrong. He's not wrong that the motor lobby and the right-wing press have been very organised in capitalising on a single, mispresentative case.

    The Phase 2 bit does sound a lot more ominous than the Phase 1. On the other hand, bike-share is a pretty important part of the public-transport network in London, and what he's talking about would effectively finish bike-share. But politics in the UK is now so reminiscent of a nervous breakdown I wouldn't write much off.

    I read a blogger called Atrios (he's a Philadelphia-based economist), and his take on autonomous vehicles has been deeply sceptical for years.
    http://www.eschatonblog.com/2016/06/no-one-will-listen-to-me.html

    No idea whether he's right, except that they still don't perform well in the context of "chaotic" situations like cities, and the temptation must be at this stage to throw more money at "simplifying" cities.


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    #3081
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,742 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    also, and this might sound a bit ghoulish, but if the numbers of elderly people cycling has gone up - how does survivability of a given accident decline as age goes up?

    The consequences of simple falls seem to get worse over time, anyway.


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    #3082
    TheChizler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,403 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    yep, i was wondering if before, when people got a bit too old to keep cycling,
    Just felt obligated to post out of enibriatedness, my grandad is 90 and still cycles all about the gaff! :D


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    #3083
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,372 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    The consequences of simple falls seem to get worse over time, anyway.

    THey do, but I'd imagine the benefits outweigh the risks, as with the population at large;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8YBf7oIEU


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    #3084
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,742 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Oh yeah, totally agree.


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    #3085
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,373 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Where are broken down cars supposed to park up? and the repair vehicles servicing them?

    The sensible thing might be to park up on a cycletrack and keep the bulk of traffic flowing, I have no issue with that if done sensibly, but legally what are they supposed to do?

    I came across an AA van parked up on a cycle track, he took up half the cycletrack and half the footpath too, if he just took up the entire cycletrack (which he had rendered unsafe) then at least pedestrians would have had the full path. Reminded me of dickheads who park outside my house slap in the middle of 2 houses, and so take up 2 spaces, probably not wanting to look like they are taking "someones space" even though they have the full right.

    Further in past the footpath was a green strip where he could have parked, leaving nearly the full footpath free, and the cycletrack.


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    #3086
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    rubadub wrote: »
    Where are broken down cars supposed to park up? and the repair vehicles servicing them?

    The sensible thing might be to park up on a cycletrack and keep the bulk of traffic flowing, I have no issue with that if done sensibly, but legally what are they supposed to do?

    I came across an AA van parked up on a cycle track, he took up half the cycletrack and half the footpath too, if he just took up the entire cycletrack (which he had rendered unsafe) then at least pedestrians would have had the full path. Reminded me of dickheads who park outside my house slap in the middle of 2 houses, and so take up 2 spaces, probably not wanting to look like they are taking "someones space" even though they have the full right.

    Further in past the footpath was a green strip where he could have parked, leaving nearly the full footpath free, and the cycletrack.

    With my motorist cap on I’d say that they should immediately be towed to a safe location. Non of this fixing by the roadside.


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    #3087
    I love Sean nos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭I love Sean nos


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Just felt obligated to post out of enibriatedness, my grandad is 90 and still cycles all about the gaff! :D
    Fair play to him, especially if there are stairs.


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    #3088
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    I love Sean nos wrote: »
    Fair play to him, especially if there are stairs.

    Post of the year.


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    #3089
    NyOmnishambles
    Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭NyOmnishambles


    amcalester wrote: »
    My brother broke that bone and it wasn't picked up on X-rays at the time.

    It was about 2 years later, with limited mobility and another X-ray that it was noticed but by this time the bone had started to wither.

    He had to have surgery and a piece of bone was cut from his leg, shaped and pinned into his wrist.

    Then the physio started.

    All that from a fairly innocuous bang playing sport, that felt more like a sprain than a broken wrist.

    Not cycling related injury but I have injured both wrists separately playing GAA, that bone was mentioned as the culprit but nothing was seen on the xray, had my arm in a cast for a week or two the first time, didn't even bother getting it checked out on the second wrist

    Hasn't affected me much day to day but I would estimate that I have about 50% range of movement from the first injury and about 25% from the second injury, I basically can't bend my wrist upwards much and they get swollen and sore on occasion but that has lessened over the years


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    #3090
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Segment on crime call about cycling at night. Expect hi vis to feature on this.

    Edit: Yep. Wear a hi vis and send off to the rsa for those little crappy lights they give out for free. FFS. I give up.


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    #3091
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,742 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Funny thing is that if you got out on a bike wearing an RSA hiviz vest and using their €1 lights, you're almost certainly cycling illegally. There are legal standards for lights, which includes a certain surface area of lit surface, and those lights don't meet them.

    (And you're not all that conspicuous in certain circumstances, since you're almost entirely relying on reflection.)

    EDIT:
    From the Irish Cycling Legislation thread: the rear light must ...
    have an illuminated area of at least 2 square inches and of such a shape that a circle of 1 inch in diameter may be inscribed therein
    From the Imperial, you'll know that this is the old legislation. Don't know if they updated the requirements after metrication.


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