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  • 10-11-2020 9:54am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭


    Hi folks, just had a milestone event and the wife has promised to get me a nice day to day watch to mark it. Decent budget, 1500 or so (i might be willing to put a bit in myself if i really like one outside her budget). I think that budget is a bit in no man's land in terms of the better known "luxury" brand.....unless you go low end quartz Tags, you're probably talking Longines as the main runner in that range. But I'm good with that, they've lovely pieces.

    I think I know what I'm looking for. I'm covered for sporty as i have a couple of aquaracers so i'm looking for smart/casual rather than the chunky bezel sporty watches.

    My question is, would it be worth considering importing one from the states, e.g. Jomashop (who i used before when i was working abroad and had no customs charges) rather from going local and hoping for a decent discount? I'd rather go local obviously but if there's a couple of hundred euros to be saved after taxes then it's tempting....alternatively, are there any good UK jewelers worth considering? I don't think i'd deviate from local if we were talking modest savings (less than 100 maybe).....

    Any thoughts on this?

    Thanks....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Sinn 556 blue maybe? Range of straps available too.
    Sporty yet dressy and a really lovely watch IMO.
    x556-I-B_V.jpg.pagespeed.ic.XqVbNtSX6r.webp


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    banie01 wrote: »
    Sinn 556 blue maybe? Range of straps available too.
    Sporty yet dressy and a really lovely watch IMO.

    Thanks for the suggestion....that's a lovely watch and very much in line with what i'm looking for. The only problem is, and i know this makes me sound like a bit of a snob, Sinn wouldn't be very recognizable (i do know them though as i like my watches) to someone who isn't into watches, e.g. my wife. I think if she was buying it for me, she'd want to be able to look at it and know that its a high end watch. Plus she has a longines herself which i bought her so she likes the idea of one that she'd gift me.

    But i'd welcome similar suggestions.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭893bet


    If you consider second hand your budget ( if you add a little to 2k) will get you into Omega, Tudor, breitling etc.

    You make not want to do this if it’s for an “life event”.

    I would prefer a second hand 3-4k watch for 2k than a brand new 1500 euro watch for well 1500.

    There are prob some new Tudor’s in that price bracket of circa 2k.

    Some second hand Irish options below. Loads more. Assume some bit of play down from asking price on some of them (especially the Tudor).

    https://www.adverts.ie/20498783
    His comments on the add suggest he will accept 1700 or so (not sure of RRP on this).

    https://www.adverts.ie/21388298

    https://www.adverts.ie/21095951

    https://www.adverts.ie/19537672
    (Seller is an active member here and they usually have a lot of Tags for well below your budget).

    https://www.adverts.ie/21688936

    https://www.adverts.ie/21743823

    https://www.adverts.ie/19574829

    Vintage (ish)

    https://www.adverts.ie/22098981

    https://www.adverts.ie/22098982

    https://www.adverts.ie/19407143


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Jaysus 893!
    That is some slew of options there, the OP has plenty of choice now.
    Ya even have me counting pennies here :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    893bet wrote: »
    If you consider second hand your budget ( if you add a little to 2k) will get you into Omega, Tudor, breitling etc.

    You make not want to do this if it’s for an “life event”.

    I would prefer a second hand 3-4k watch for 2k than a brand new 1500 euro watch for well 1500.

    There are prob some new Tudor’s in that price bracket of circa 2k.

    Some second hand Irish options below. Loads more. Assume some bit of play down from asking price on some of them (especially the Tudor).

    https://www.adverts.ie/20498783
    His comments on the add suggest he will accept 1700 or so (not sure of RRP on this).

    https://www.adverts.ie/21388298

    https://www.adverts.ie/21095951

    https://www.adverts.ie/19537672
    (Seller is an active member here and they usually have a lot of Tags for well below your budget).

    https://www.adverts.ie/21688936

    https://www.adverts.ie/21743823

    https://www.adverts.ie/19574829

    Vintage (ish)

    https://www.adverts.ie/22098981

    https://www.adverts.ie/22098982

    https://www.adverts.ie/19407143

    Thanks for the options there.....yes, I had thought about going second hand alright but more so from a reputable dealer like watchfinder.co.uk (or anywhere else anyone would like to suggest) rather than off buy and sell type sites. I'm familiar enough with the idea of reps being out there so i'd be nervous enough about buying without some kind of security. I know you can get it checked by a jeweler etc but that just seems messy....though it would be nice to break into the higher level of luxury watches like breitling (that'll be the next milestone!), its not necesrarily an all or nothing purchase so I'd be happy with a classy but relatively modest purchase.....I'd consider used for something like a tag Carrera maybe.....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,681 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Nice list! Those speedies in Carlow seem very cheap.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭893bet


    unkel wrote: »
    Nice list! Those speedies in Carlow seem very cheap.

    The triple date is cheap as chips really. Often see them going cheap. Don’t know why they are so “unloved”.

    He has accepted 800 on it.....maybe just for PM but an automatic omega with a zillion complications!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    I know exactly what you're saying on that but don't agree with you on the fashion watches......i'd be familair with all the brands you're probably referring to because of my interest but that doesnt mean i'd want them on my wrist to feel like i have a nice watch....I'm perfectly happy with a nice longines or tag for that price range to add the the couple of tags i already have...i accept that the budget (i wouldnt want my wife to go overboard unless i was going to add to it myself) restricts me to the likes of tag or longines and i did suggest that myself in my OP. Unless you go second hand as already suggested, you'd need to up your budget to at least 3 to 4k to break into entry level breitling or omega i think and tudor...i think i'd struggle to justify that outlay on a singular purchase at this stage but will consider in a few years time maybe....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    MarcusP12 wrote: »
    I know exactly what you're saying on that but don't agree with you on the fashion watches......i'd be familair with all the brands you're probably referring to because of my interest but that doesnt mean i'd want them on my wrist to feel like i have a nice watch....I'm perfectly happy with a nice longines or tag for that price range to add the the couple of tags i already have...i accept that the budget (i wouldnt want my wife to go overboard unless i was going to add to it myself) restricts me to the likes of tag or longines and i did suggest that myself in my OP. Unless you go second hand as already suggested, you'd need to up your budget to at least 3 to 4k to break into entry level breitling or omega i think and tudor...i think i'd struggle to justify that outlay on a singular purchase at this stage but will consider in a few years time maybe....

    Post that i was replying to seems to have been deleted....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭mountain


    Have a look at stowa,
    They can engrave the rotor, which makes it really personal.

    I had this done last year, for a significant event.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭redlead


    MarcusP12 wrote: »
    Post that i was replying to seems to have been deleted....

    That was me, I thought I sent a double post and deleted. All my point is, is that the criteria of the watch being a recognised brand to a non watch enthusiast really limits your options because I don't think your average punter would have heard of any of them bar Tag and possibly Longines. You and I know that the Sinn in the first response is a very good watch whereas a Gucci is a sh1tter. To most, Gucci is probably a great watch. Seem as you already have a few Tags, it would be nice to get something else so I'm sure your wife would be perfectly ameniable to get whatever you want if you bore her by telling her all about why it's so good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    redlead wrote: »
    That was me, I thought I sent a double post and deleted. All my point is, is that the criteria of the watch being a recognised brand to a non watch enthusiast really limits your options because I don't think your average punter would have heard of any of them bar Tag and possibly Longines. You and I know that the Sinn in the first response is a very good watch whereas a Gucci is a sh1tter. To most, Gucci is probably a great watch. Seem as you already have a few Tags, it would be nice to get something else so I'm sure your wife would be perfectly ameniable to get whatever you want if you bore her by telling her all about why it's so good.

    I appreciate your comments and understand where you are coming from but as i've already stated, if my budget limits me to the likes of tags and longines, then i'm good with that...worse problems to have!....I like the brand recognition thing myself within quality watches....what i mean by that is that i'm not into fashion watches just because as a clothing brand they might be high end....i like well known watch brands that happen to make good quality watches....i know a lot of you guys on here know your watch stuff inside out and know these niche brands and the quality and value they represent but its not really my thing....the Sinn one though i would know that bit better than stowa so i'm not ruling that out....

    Anyway, getting back to my original query, have people any experience in buying online from the states or Uk, used or new....any recommendations?


  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    I've never had a problem with Chrono24. If you search around you should be able to find some great options in your price range, and the sellers have a rating so if you go for one with a good rep you really shouldn't have to worry about getting ripped off. At about 2k you'd be approaching the price range of some really great watches from the likes of Omega and Tudor, but I you'd be very lucky to find them for 1.5, although that's not to say you can't get a great watch from other brands for that kind of money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭redlead


    Your budget doesn't limit you to the likes of tags and longines though, your requirement for general brand recognition does. Theres loads of good watches at that price point; Oris, Nomos, Sinn, Stowa, Rado, some of the master Junghans to name a few. There's no point in looking for recommendations if you only want watches you already know about suggested.

    Buying from the US will likely result in you being stung on tax. You could get lucky but its a risk. Generally you are better off buying from anywhere within the EU, UK or Monaco etc as you won't have to pay any extra tax. You already know about watchfinder but Chrono24 is an excellent resource to research and find other dealers. You need to do a bit of due diligence on the dealer yourself which is easy enough based on verified purchases on the site etc. Its generally very safe as your funds are held in an escrow account until you are happy with the watch and give the go ahead to release the funds to the dealer. I've bought several watches there, new and used and never had any issues. As 893 provided there is the adverts/message boards options too. The best deals used are to be had here but you probably need to know your stuff a bit more to make sure you know what you are getting. You want new in any case so not really an option this time. Obviously the last option is ADs but this is also the most expensive. You'll save a few hundred going with a grey market dealer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    nj27 wrote: »
    I've never had a problem with Chrono24. If you search around you should be able to find some great options in your price range, and the sellers have a rating so if you go for one with a good rep you really shouldn't have to worry about getting ripped off. At about 2k you'd be approaching the price range of some really great watches from the likes of Omega and Tudor, but I you'd be very lucky to find them for 1.5, although that's not to say you can't get a great watch from other brands for that kind of money.

    Thanks for the feedback on chrono24....have browsed there plenty of times alright....would you recommend sticking with certified deals as opposed to private seller to be on the safe side?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭MarcusP12


    redlead wrote: »
    Your budget doesn't limit you to the likes of tags and longines though, your requirement for general brand recognition does. Theres loads of good watches at that price point; Oris, Nomos, Sinn, Stowa, Rado, some of the master Junghans to name a few. There's no point in looking for recommendations if you only want watches you already know about suggested.

    Buying from the US will likely result in you being stung on tax. You could get lucky but its a risk. Generally you are better off buying from anywhere within the EU, UK or Monaco etc as you won't have to pay any extra tax. You already know about watchfinder but Chrono24 is an excellent resource to research and find other dealers. You need to do a bit of due diligence on the dealer yourself which is easy enough based on verified purchases on the site etc. Its generally very safe as your funds are held in an escrow account until you are happy with the watch and give the go ahead to release the funds to the dealer. I've bought several watches there, new and used and never had any issues. As 893 provided there is the adverts/message boards options too. The best deals used are to be had here but you probably need to know your stuff a bit more to make sure you know what you are getting. You want new in any case so not really an option this time. Obviously the last option is ADs but this is also the most expensive. You'll save a few hundred going with a grey market dealer.

    I appreciate your comments on this but if you look at the original post, i wasn't actually looking for recommendations on the watch specifically in the first place but welcomed them when they are offered. On more than one occasion, I outlined my personal preference for a watch and whether you agree with how that constrains me or not, that's just the way it is. I'm just not into the more quirky makes you mention like stowa and nomos...they look nice and i'm sure are well built and in some cases better than entry level tags but for me, watches are as much about how they feel on your wrist as much as how they are perceived objectively if that makes sense....probably not a politically correct way of viewing watches on a forum like this but waddia gonna do ay! ....Oris and Rado are nice alright but don't really like the styles that would be in that price range for me....

    All that aside though, thank you for the guidance on the used purchases. That's the feedback i really need. I would be factoring in customs if i was considering US alright. From trashing it out with you guys, i'm going to give the Chrono24 a proper look. I don't mind second hand if its in very good condition so i'd be a bit nervous about buying without seeing but i guess i could ask for more pics from the dealer if there was one i was really interested in.....I bought my first tag from creation, i.e. gray dealer, so that wouldn't put me off for this kind of money......


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,123 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    I'd be like the proverbial kid in a sweet shop with 1.5k to spend on a watch!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭893bet


    MarcusP12 wrote: »
    Thanks for the options there.....yes, I had thought about going second hand alright but more so from a reputable dealer like watchfinder.co.uk (or anywhere else anyone would like to suggest) rather than off buy and sell type sites. I'm familiar enough with the idea of reps being out there so i'd be nervous enough about buying without some kind of security. I know you can get it checked by a jeweler etc but that just seems messy....though it would be nice to break into the higher level of luxury watches like breitling (that'll be the next milestone!), its not necesrarily an all or nothing purchase so I'd be happy with a classy but relatively modest purchase.....I'd consider used for something like a tag Carrera maybe.....

    Watchfinder and dealers like them will be very expensive. Adverts is a good source. And the for sale thread here.

    Like most things. Buy the seller.

    E.g seller/dealer below (as mentioned a member here but that’s beside the point). They have done 404 good deals on adverts with feedback and zero bad ones. They have a couple of second hand tags.

    https://www.adverts.ie/19537672

    Or the chap below which lots of us have dealt with on here before. 200 plus good deals (and one bad one 5 years ago, related to a phone, wouldn’t even count it).

    https://www.adverts.ie/21515584

    In general reps are bad. You will tell by looking at most of them as they will feel cheap. They won’t have the quality feel for the most part.

    MarcusP12 wrote: »
    I know exactly what you're saying on that but don't agree with you on the fashion watches......i'd be familair with all the brands you're probably referring to because of my interest but that doesnt mean i'd want them on my wrist to feel like i have a nice watch....I'm perfectly happy with a nice longines or tag for that price range to add the the couple of tags i already have...i accept that the budget (i wouldnt want my wife to go overboard unless i was going to add to it myself) restricts me to the likes of tag or longines and i did suggest that myself in my OP. Unless you go second hand as already suggested, you'd need to up your budget to at least 3 to 4k to break into entry level breitling or omega i think and tudor...i think i'd struggle to justify that outlay on a singular purchase at this stage but will consider in a few years time maybe....

    If you have a couple of tags it does seem like the natural progression is to level up to Omega or similar. I would def urge the second hand route for a bang for buck but I always say that with a small eye on residuals incase I want to flip for something new. If this is a wife purchase and life event it may well stay forever so new might be the best option. If new you need to get the best price and negotiated of the RRP if possible.

    Swisswatchdirect will have Good discounts new for TAG. Priced in sterling also which is weak!

    Eg

    https://www.swisswatchesdirect.co.uk/watch/wbd2112.ba0928_tag_heuer_mens_watches_aquaracer_(41mm)
    mountain wrote: »
    Have a look at stowa,
    They can engrave the rotor, which makes it really personal.

    I had this done last year, for a significant event.

    So much value but appreciate not known by the wider community.

    Nomos would also be a great shout if you like that design.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    https://www.chrono24.com/omega/omega-seamaster-aqua-terra-co-axial--id16985614.htm

    Omega Aquaterra automatic for less than 1.5k.

    Lol at the honest Japanese seller describing the watch as poor (in terms of scratches) - his pictures doesn't really show a "poor" condition watch at all - I'd rate it as good for the Irish market.

    VAT will take it to 1815 euro - or if no VAT is applied you can spend 300ish on getting it serviced in Weirs (Omega AD) and it'll come back looking like new.

    Omega is definitely a recognised name (they'd like to think as recognised as Rolex :P ) - and it's dressy/casual while still being able to go swimming etc.

    edit: - I'd also get in touch with the dealer to see why he is describing it as in poor condition - cosmetically it looks good - it could be that it's running 2 minutes slow a day and there is something wrong mechanically (which would be more costly to service/fix).

    And if Omega doesn't catch your eye - how about this Breitling chrono? Within the EU so no additional Irish VAT - https://www.chrono24.com/breitling/breitling-chronomat-bordeaux-dial--id16937320.htm - looks very classy (sure it's a 7750 movement but that just means easy servicing) - just depends on whether you like the design or not. Breitling would be one of the brands that are somewhat/little bit on the public consciousness too. Their designs are pretty iconic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭46 Long


    I think it's a bit over budget, but if you can swing a few hundred more the Longines Spirit takes some serious beating.

    IMG_4745-2.jpg?ixlib=rails-1.1.0&fm=jpg&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&ch=Width%2CDPR%2CSave-Data&fit=crop&w=1200


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  • Registered Users Posts: 64,681 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Longines would be a good choice. OP likes it, it is generally recognised - unlike some of the other brands mentioned - and it has a strong heritage. Some beautiful watches that fall into the required category of sporty yet not divers. I had this one myself, one of the most beautiful watches I ever had:

    55d8091c4cfccc18e1749af5f969a5b1.jpg

    RRP about €1500, but can be bought second hand from about €800. Spectacular value for money at that. I'm going to be flamed for this, but it looks and feels more expensive than several Omega watches costing upwards of €2500 (second hand)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I quite like that one Unkel, good call.
    I'm a sucker for a GMT and at 800 second hand, that is brilliant value IMO.

    It would perhaps be easier to just link the OP to the Longines website tho given their certainty ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,681 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Good point. It seems the watch is no longer available new from the likes of Weir's etc. but can be had second hand (which is the better move imho)

    Reference is L3.687.4.99.6

    There are some on chrono24 and I'm sure elsewhere too

    Like this


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    unkel wrote: »
    Good point. It seems the watch is no longer available new from the likes of Weir's etc. but can be had second hand (which is the better move imho)

    Reference is L3.687.4.99.6

    There are some on chrono24 and I'm sure elsewhere too

    Like this

    That is absolutely fantastic value IMHO!
    It's a lovely piece and even with VAT is a great deal and Japanese 2nd hand gear is generally brilliant condition wise IME.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭893bet


    Hard to see the OP buying from Japan when he is reluctant to buy locally on adverts.....

    Think those Long hydro are always good value.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭mountain


    This will come in under budget,

    https://www.seiyajapan.com/products/ocw-s100-1ajf

    Its a beautiful watch, with the blue being really striking in the right light.

    Incl customs you should have it for €550.00 delivered


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,681 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    893bet wrote: »
    Hard to see the OP buying from Japan when he is reluctant to buy locally on adverts.....

    Aye, I only put the link in to give the OP an idea of second hand values. Here are two brand new ones from reputable sellers in the UK


    GBP1060 from Jura Watches

    GBP1120 from Banks Lyon


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭893bet


    unkel wrote: »
    Aye, I only put the link in to give the OP an idea of second hand values. Here are two brand new ones from reputable sellers in the UK


    GBP1060 from Jura Watches

    GBP1120 from Banks Lyon

    Jura offered me 10 percent off when I clicked the link also.that would bring the price down to 950 sterling.

    Seems a good deal for OP as he gets a brand he knows, watch is quality, it a automatic and brand new!

    Only down side is it is not a “step up” from his current brand e.g an Omega. But that arguable and a step up with out a step up in budget is difficult. Even a quartz omega AT would cost 1500 second hand....and it’s easy to say that that watch is a step up from that Longines.


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,681 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Agreed. OP is happy with a "side step" on the traditional phases of watch collection :)

    Got that 10% discount message too, but T&C apply. I'd be surprised it if applies to this watch. If so, then yeah might as well buy new if you are happier with that. The brunt of the depreciation from the RRP is then already done.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    unkel wrote: »
    Agreed. OP is happy with a "side step" on the traditional phases of watch collection :)

    Got that 10% discount message too, but T&C apply. I'd be surprised it if applies to this watch. If so, then yeah might as well buy new if you are happier with that. The brunt of the depreciation from the RRP is then already done.

    Just on Jura watches, they also are listed on Topcashback. Offers vary between 5% to 14.25% back.
    Could make a nice difference and some of the offers stack with the Jura 10% voucher.

    https://www.topcashback.co.uk/jura-watches/


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