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29-01-2018, 15:19   #31
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Might try facebook, as I'm continually disappointed not to have my question read on the podcast...

In other news, anyone do the Ramp Test that they're testing to replace the 8 and 20 minute tests? Did it yesterday, albeit with tired legs after a hard club spin on Saturday, but haven't got the outcome yet. I feel I've fecked up the pacing of my last couple of 20 minute tests/ hit a mental barrier with them, so will be interested to see how it compares. They're also hinting that they'll be going more like a training peaks style, allowing you to upload outdoor rides and track total TSS within TrainerRoad.
They've released a beta. It's free to sign up and download the beta version. I'm unsure what the changes are or if there are any.
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Ive been using trainerroad myself this winter since October.

Ive done a full base phase. I did the Sweet Spot high volume I plan. And when i finished that i repeated it. I chose to repeat part I as I just did not have the mental energy to do 2 hour sessions indoors on weekdays.

So the results have been excellent for me. Ive increased my FTP metric by 20% since i started. Its been hard work and has taken alot of commitment to do the sessions and the intervals.

Currently I am just starting the build phase. Some of the sessions are extremely painful.

I like that its teaching me how to train with power and heart rate and to make the most of the 10-13 hours per week i do.

I dont agree fully with doing the entire plan indoors. Sometimes an outdoor ride is needed to clear the head. Plus for endurance. Overall Im really happy with it.

Hoping i will be good this year. But then racing is a whole other ball game isnt it to training? You have to be aggressive and really want the placings and to take them on the day.
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Ive been using trainerroad myself this winter since October.

Ive done a full base phase. I did the Sweet Spot high volume I plan. And when i finished that i repeated it. I chose to repeat part I as I just did not have the mental energy to do 2 hour sessions indoors on weekdays.

So the results have been excellent for me. Ive increased my FTP metric by 20% since i started. Its been hard work and has taken alot of commitment to do the sessions and the intervals.

Currently I am just starting the build phase. Some of the sessions are extremely painful.

I like that its teaching me how to train with power and heart rate and to make the most of the 10-13 hours per week i do.

I dont agree fully with doing the entire plan indoors. Sometimes an outdoor ride is needed to clear the head. Plus for endurance. Overall Im really happy with it.

Hoping i will be good this year. But then racing is a whole other ball game isnt it to training? You have to be aggressive and really want the placings and to take them on the day.
That's great progress and shows real dividends for a serious time commitment into turbo work alone - would well believe you would crave an outdoor spin to clear the head!
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Ive been using trainerroad myself this winter since October.

Ive done a full base phase. I did the Sweet Spot high volume I plan. And when i finished that i repeated it. I chose to repeat part I as I just did not have the mental energy to do 2 hour sessions indoors on weekdays.

So the results have been excellent for me. Ive increased my FTP metric by 20% since i started. Its been hard work and has taken alot of commitment to do the sessions and the intervals.

Currently I am just starting the build phase. Some of the sessions are extremely painful.

I like that its teaching me how to train with power and heart rate and to make the most of the 10-13 hours per week i do.

I dont agree fully with doing the entire plan indoors. Sometimes an outdoor ride is needed to clear the head. Plus for endurance. Overall Im really happy with it.

Hoping i will be good this year. But then racing is a whole other ball game isnt it to training? You have to be aggressive and really want the placings and to take them on the day.
I used TrainerRoad for my winter training as a first season racer last year, sweet spot low volume, general build then Rolling Road, u have always had a Sunday endurance spin added to the plan or you would crack up. 9-10 hrs weekly all in.

I credit the sessions as a massive help to me getting a first season upgrade.
TrainerRoad does work, you just have to commit to it as you have done.
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Unfortunately it's an either/or for me - I wouldn't get the Saturday TrainerRoad and the Sunday club spin over the weekend, at the moment. I could probably squeeze in the other way around, but tbh I'm not sure I'd be fresh enough for over/unders on a Sunday after the Saturday spin which is what sweet spot base II generally are, never mind whatever awaits during build!

I feel the Saturday spins have plenty of sweet spot and threshold work (mainly as I'm trying to hangon!), but I'm weighing up power meter options to try and confirm that. But tbh, I also need the outlet of the outdoor group spin, so I'm not prepared to sacrifice it even if it is a compromise.
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Have 2hr Zone 2/3 spin on a Sunday instead of the normal 4hrs most club spins take maybe?
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Might try facebook, as I'm continually disappointed not to have my question read on the podcast...

In other news, anyone do the Ramp Test that they're testing to replace the 8 and 20 minute tests? Did it yesterday, albeit with tired legs after a hard club spin on Saturday, but haven't got the outcome yet. I feel I've fecked up the pacing of my last couple of 20 minute tests/ hit a mental barrier with them, so will be interested to see how it compares. They're also hinting that they'll be going more like a training peaks style, allowing you to upload outdoor rides and track total TSS within TrainerRoad.
Haven't signed up to the beta but looking forward to trying this out. They think it will remove pacing problems and lead to more consistent results as you just ride to failure. Personally I find it really tough to just sit on the same power number for 20 mins, one of many reasons I'm a crap TT'er.

If you search for ramp test x in Trainerroad you can see it to see how its works

I think it was Shane Millar who had a vlog with Stephen Lane on this about a year ago for some more info on it.
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Personally I find it really tough to just sit on the same power number for 20 mins, one of many reasons I'm a crap TT'er.
Me too, the sweet spot intervals are very challenging. Sometimes i was questioning if my training levels were right, felt like threshold work at times. I think on those days though i was just fatigued. Or my window was not open enough and i overheated or something.
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I used TrainerRoad for my winter training as a first season racer last year, sweet spot low volume, general build then Rolling Road, u have always had a Sunday endurance spin added to the plan or you would crack up. 9-10 hrs weekly all in.

I credit the sessions as a massive help to me getting a first season upgrade.
TrainerRoad does work, you just have to commit to it as you have done.
Hope so, im aiming to earn an upgrade this year too to A3 after coming back to racing last year, but mid way through the year so i didnt really have the work done and struggled to get out of the bunch for any length of time.
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Hope so, im aiming to earn an upgrade this year too to A3 after coming back to racing last year, but mid way through the year so i didnt really have the work done and struggled to get out of the bunch for any length of time.
Only need to get out of the bunch once... On the line!
Patience and bottle needed for A4.
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If you search for ramp test x in Trainerroad you can see it to see how its works
I did the test yesterday, just waiting on what they reckon my ftp is based on that to compare to the last 20 minute test.
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The 20 minute test is the one ive been doing. Ramp test looks interesting. Shorter, i wonder how accurate it is.
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Will that Ramp test automatically calculate an FTP like the the 20 or 8 min test? And if anyone has done it how does it map on to previous results in terms of accuracy?

Also I fear change.
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I only ever do a ramp test as i find it more consistant as i cant screw the pacing because i go till i pop. Their might be days where the legs feel a bit lack luster but overall the results are generally in the same ball park.


On a side note i did test against the 20 min test as you are supposed to do a couple of times and found the result from the step test to be slightly inflated. I now have my personal percentage dialed in to 80.5 as opposed to the 82.5 as the study suggests.
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Will that Ramp test automatically calculate an FTP like the the 20 or 8 min test? And if anyone has done it how does it map on to previous results in terms of accuracy?
They're working on the algorithm's, so it's only in testing and then they apparently send the result. Being impatient, I emailed earlier to ask how to get the result, but going on the facebook testing group, most seem happy with it's accuracy.

Definitely less of a challenge physically and mentally than the 20 minute test, and they reckon you can do a workout after a bit of break after doing it, rather than it being a workout in it's own right.

I was fairly cooked from Saturday's spin, but still interested to see how it compares - setting myself up for disappointment as like I was saying, I don't feel the last 20 minute test went well, but at the same time haven't been confident to up the intensity!
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