Boards.ie uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Click here to find out more x
Post Reply  
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
30-10-2016, 20:42   #1
dahat
Registered User
 
dahat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 13,098
Trainerroad

Any users of the above?

A week in and finding the structure of a turbo workout a bug plus for me. Hoping it helps me get stronger plus shifts a few kilos over the winter months.

Sweet spot base, mid volume is where I started out.
dahat is offline  
Thanks from:
Advertisement
30-10-2016, 20:47   #2
Sinbad_NI
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 750
Yeah I use it. Very handy to add the structure without needing to buy a powermeter.
I find it improves my fitness a great deal, def worth the effort of doing it, especially when its cold and wet outside.

Get yourself a good boxset series to watch and the time fly's by.
Sinbad_NI is offline  
(2) thanks from:
30-10-2016, 21:02   #3
dahat
Registered User
 
dahat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 13,098
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinbad_NI View Post
Yeah I use it. Very handy to add the structure without needing to buy a powermeter.
I find it improves my fitness a great deal, def worth the effort of doing it, especially when its cold and wet outside.

Get yourself a good boxset series to watch and the time fly's by.
Couldn't watch a series while dying on that tbh, solid tunes via the mix cloud app helps. I also find the on screen prompts helpful and distract you from the pain at hand.
dahat is offline  
30-10-2016, 21:15   #4
Sinbad_NI
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by dahat
Couldn't watch a series while dying on that tbh, solid tunes via the mix cloud app helps. I also find the on screen prompts helpful and distract you from the pain at hand.

Podcasts are good too.

Yeah the on screen drills can help alleviate the boredom but do tend to get a bit played out after a while I find.
Sinbad_NI is offline  
30-10-2016, 21:51   #5
dahat
Registered User
 
dahat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 13,098
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinbad_NI View Post
Podcasts are good too.

Yeah the on screen drills can help alleviate the boredom but do tend to get a bit played out after a while I find.
Things like cadence & single leg drills are things I need to work on so I'm quite keen to engage just now.

Have you found the improvement worthy of the fee? My first winter with a somewhat structured training program even if it is a bit more intense than most would be doing this time of year.

Last edited by dahat; 30-10-2016 at 21:55.
dahat is offline  
Advertisement
30-10-2016, 23:31   #6
Sinbad_NI
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 750
Oh absolutely, I saw and felt a huge improvement.
Build phase is much harder work... take your time... the pain is still ahead.
Sinbad_NI is offline  
31-10-2016, 07:45   #7
dermabrasion
Registered User
 
dermabrasion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Voiture Balai
Posts: 430
This works for me when I have the discipline to stick to it. Ive a few sufferfest videos that I pair up, but I dont really get any inspiration from them. Banging tunes are best.
I've considered going over to Zwift, but I don't need another subscription (Strava, Training peaks & Traineroad) to be a better cyclist. Just some consistency and stay away from the cake tin.
dermabrasion is offline  
Thanks from:
31-10-2016, 08:02   #8
dahat
Registered User
 
dahat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 13,098
You are right consistency is key with this program and any program really. You either over it or hate it I reckon so if the interest falls away a program like this isn't really for you..

I have a Keeler Needle workout to face this morning and after a group spin yesterday I'm pretty nervous even scared as it looks quite intense.

For someone without a power meter it does give a different angle to workouts which I have to intrepid into cadence and heart rate levels to get the most from this on the road in the Spring.
dahat is offline  
12-06-2017, 08:14   #9
bren_mc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 358
Just wondering if anyone has been having the same issue as me lately when doing the FTP test (20 minute version ). Whereas it used to previously calculate target wattage for the 20 minute effort by adding 5% to my current FTP, it now seems to do so by adding 5 watts.The result is that even if I was to slightly exceed the target for the duration of the test, my new suggested FTP would be lower than the current. As a result, I've had to increase my FTP before doing the test so as to produce a more realistic target. I emailed technical support but got this response...

Hey Brendan,

I checked out your last test and it looks like things were calculated correctly. The target power line is meant to represent the wattage you would need to output in order to maintain the same FTP score. I think it is just a coincidence that you are seeing a 5 watt difference.

For the 20-minute test, the target would be 5% higher than your FTP and on the 8-minute test your target will be 10% higher than your current FTP.

Regardless, the target power is sort of irrelevant. The goal of the FTP tests is for you to push your absolute maximum for the interval. The target line is a reference so you know whether you are going to exceed your current FTP score or not. Really, users should aim to push above the target as much as possible.

I hope this helps!
Hunter Ault
Customer Support
bren_mc is offline  
Advertisement
12-06-2017, 08:49   #10
Macy0161
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Co. Wicklow, ~228m asl
Posts: 4,864
Due to do a test this week, but always assumed the target for the test was based on current FTP to be honest. Bar trying to maintain at least that, I've always just tried to bury myself for the 20 minutes rather than to use the target.
Macy0161 is offline  
12-06-2017, 09:26   #11
bren_mc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 358
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy0161 View Post
Due to do a test this week, but always assumed the target for the test was based on current FTP to be honest. Bar trying to maintain at least that, I've always just tried to bury myself for the 20 minutes rather than to use the target.
Well yes, clearly the target is based on current FTP. Trainerroad acknowledged as much in their response above...

Quote:
Originally Posted by bren_mc View Post

For the 20-minute test, the target would be 5% higher than your FTP and on the 8-minute test your target will be 10% higher than your current FTP.
My point is though that if you use that target (indeed even if you raise your FTP by a couple of points with a view to achieving a new FTP), the target calculated by trainerroad will be too low (unless you have an FTP of 100 or less). For example my current FTP is 271. If I do a test, it will set the target at 276. If I complete the test and hit this target throughout, my new suggested FTP will be 257 (i.e. 276 * 0.95).
bren_mc is offline  
12-06-2017, 09:42   #12
Sarz91
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,410
Quote:
Originally Posted by bren_mc View Post
Well yes, clearly the target is based on current FTP. Trainerroad acknowledged as much in their response above...



My point is though that if you use that target (indeed even if you raise your FTP by a couple of points with a view to achieving a new FTP), the target calculated by trainerroad will be too low (unless you have an FTP of 100 or less). For example my current FTP is 271. If I do a test, it will set the target at 276. If I complete the test and hit this target throughout, my new suggested FTP will be 257 (i.e. 276 * 0.95).
Targets in an FTP test are pretty useless IMO. You either start out too hard trying to stay on target power in which case you blow or you stay on target and push on in the last minute or so which means you haven't paced yourself correctly.
Sarz91 is offline  
12-06-2017, 09:43   #13
bp_me
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,601
Send a message via ICQ to bp_me Send a message via MSN to bp_me
Quote:
Originally Posted by bren_mc View Post
Well yes, clearly the target is based on current FTP. Trainerroad acknowledged as much in their response above...



My point is though that if you use that target (indeed even if you raise your FTP by a couple of points with a view to achieving a new FTP), the target calculated by trainerroad will be too low (unless you have an FTP of 100 or less). For example my current FTP is 271. If I do a test, it will set the target at 276. If I complete the test and hit this target throughout, my new suggested FTP will be 257 (i.e. 276 * 0.95).
Ignore the targets. They are only a guide. Sometimes you hit the guide... sometimes the guide hits you Assuming you are on an electronic trainer it swaps to slope/resistance mode at the start of each test block anyway so it's not locking you into a number. It's helpful to do some quick mental maths before it begins to get an idea of where you should be if you have done 2-5% increase since the last test.

Based on the email you got back from support the number wouldnt be right anyway (in that it's not really an advancement target). It would be the minimum you need to do to maintain your current ftp number.

On another note I have 4x free 1 month referrals for anyone who wants to test it out.
bp_me is offline  
11-09-2017, 10:45   #14
Paul_Mc1988
Registered User
 
Paul_Mc1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Dublin
Posts: 298
Bumping this on the off chance someone has a free trial. Looking for a structured plan as opposed to floating around as i do on zwift. Cheers
Paul_Mc1988 is offline  
11-09-2017, 10:48   #15
bp_me
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,601
Send a message via ICQ to bp_me Send a message via MSN to bp_me
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul_Mc1988 View Post
Bumping this on the off chance someone has a free trial. Looking for a structured plan as opposed to floating around as i do on zwift. Cheers
I should have. PM me your email address.

You can also do structured on zwift FYI.
bp_me is offline  
Post Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Remove Text Formatting
Bold
Italic
Underline

Insert Image
Wrap [QUOTE] tags around selected text
 
Decrease Size
Increase Size
Please sign up or log in to join the discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Share Tweet