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  • 19-04-2012 9:19pm
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    Hello all!
    I grew up knowing from my granny that we were a VERY Irish family. My great gran, grand da and granny all died in my early teens so I did not have the presence of mind to ask about my heritage, if I had family in Ireland (which I presume so- somewhere there is a long lost cousin or aunt uncle someone out there). My father grew up in a time that one did not ask what was not being freely shared by adults and did not ask as his grandparents were already gone prior to his birth.
    My grandmother made it well known that she is a "Fitzgerald" and from a very "good" and well known family. I assume this is a common name... so other than that- I have no other real information- other than my grand da last name and his mother married name is Aura. We were told that my great gran Aura came from Ireland at a young age to the USA. No records as to from what part, or way to verify. I have looked on ancestry.com and I have asked the death index to verify- but since at her death no one was around that remembered anything (she lived to 100) there was limited information. Especially since there was no birth index to go from for information here in the US.
    I dont know if anyone has family who speaks of an Agnes who married someone with the last name Aura (Her mother's maiden name was Nolan) she was born in 1893.
    My gran da David C Aura is her son who married June Fitzgerald (mother's maiden name was Shute-although that is an olde english name from devonshire she insisted her mother was born in Ireland).
    I grew up deeply in love with Ireland, and was told stories of the magic that exists there- now I wonder if I have family I can connect with, learn about, and who may know more about the family.
    Thank you and take care- and I apologize for my rambling on...
    Also, hope I am not offensive, my gran used to call me her Celtic Princess until she passed on- so this is where my nick-name comes from. :)


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    You could try searching the Census here for any names you may know from the 1901/1911 time?

    EDIT: If Agnes Nolan was born in 1893, she would have been 18 or thereabouts at the time of the census, so for example, here are all the Agnes Nolans in or around that age in 1911


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Thread moved to Genealogy where it will be more likely to get assistance.

    Moderator


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Coolnabacky1873


    Hello all!
    I grew up knowing from my granny that we were a VERY Irish family. My great gran, grand da and granny all died in my early teens so I did not have the presence of mind to ask about my heritage, if I had family in Ireland (which I presume so- somewhere there is a long lost cousin or aunt uncle someone out there). My father grew up in a time that one did not ask what was not being freely shared by adults and did not ask as his grandparents were already gone prior to his birth.
    My grandmother made it well known that she is a "Fitzgerald" and from a very "good" and well known family. I assume this is a common name... so other than that- I have no other real information- other than my grand da last name and his mother married name is Aura. We were told that my great gran Aura came from Ireland at a young age to the USA. No records as to from what part, or way to verify. I have looked on ancestry.com and I have asked the death index to verify- but since at her death no one was around that remembered anything (she lived to 100) there was limited information. Especially since there was no birth index to go from for information here in the US.
    I dont know if anyone has family who speaks of an Agnes who married someone with the last name Aura (Her mother's maiden name was Nolan) she was born in 1893.
    My gran da David C Aura is her son who married June Fitzgerald (mother's maiden name was Shute-although that is an olde english name from devonshire she insisted her mother was born in Ireland).
    I grew up deeply in love with Ireland, and was told stories of the magic that exists there- now I wonder if I have family I can connect with, learn about, and who may know more about the family.
    Thank you and take care- and I apologize for my rambling on...
    Also, hope I am not offensive, my gran used to call me her Celtic Princess until she passed on- so this is where my nick-name comes from. :)

    It's a common mistake but you have to start you search in US records before searching in Ireland.

    Get every federal census, state census, birth,marriage, death, Church, will, headstone etc.. record that you can. Also, there is so much out there that is not on Ancestry.

    Many people think they know the history of their family but the records can often be revealing.

    You need to work back to the original immigrant(s) and fully document their lives.

    This will then give you a good approx era to search in Ireland and therefore types of records.

    Best of luck with the search.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Coolnabacky is your only man on the US front. Start with your own Dad's birth cert to get your grandparents official names, and then find their marriage cert, which should give you their parents names.

    Don't worry about English surnames, there has always been plenty of English people in Ireland. Fitzgerald is indeed a common name and there would be plenty of different families with that name. Aura, on the other hand, is not a surname I've ever heard, so you may find that it was changed at some stage to make it easier to pronounce - this is very common with US immigrants. For example, there are no families with that spelling on 1901 or 1911 census. It doesn't appear in MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland either, which is the standard work on surnames here. Don't worry too much about this though, as I said, it'll be some other spelling.

    Best of luck.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    She was Agnes __________. Her mother's name was Nolan, dont know her mother's first name. Dont know her fathers name at all. DO know she married someone with the last name Aura and had my grand da- David C Aura.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    Thank you loads though for the census information, that is fantastic!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    Coolnabacky1873 and Pinky Pinky,
    Thank you very much! I really really appreciate the help. We do know for certain my grandparents birth names David Charles Aura (he was born here so it shows no other spelling on his), and June Elizabeth Fitzgerald. Great gran Agnes we do not know her father's name at this time- but I will definately look at the grandparents marriage certificate- I NEVER thought of that before! I have checked birth, death, census records that I could find.
    My granny romanticised Ireland so much for me, told me stories of how beautiful Ireland was when she went with grand da and when she visited as a child. Sometimes, when I drive in the rural area I live in, I see the rolling deep green hills, the brooke, light fog from the water, and I think of the stories granny told me.
    I dont know if it is weird or not, but I long for a human connection to Ireland, I was 7 1/2 months pregnant when my mom took my sisters to Dublin to see Ireland, so I could not go along- but its like an ache I have to go to Ireland someday and it would be even better if I could find family. Maybe I feel it a part of me because of my grandparents and how they felt about it and how much they loved Ireland.
    I must sound crazy. i will take the advice and search the places suggested though


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    My granny romanticised Ireland so much for me, told me stories of how beautiful Ireland was when she went with grand da and when she visited as a child. Sometimes, when I drive in the rural area I live in, I see the rolling deep green hills, the brooke, light fog from the water, and I think of the stories granny told me.
    I dont know if it is weird or not, but I long for a human connection to Ireland, I was 7 1/2 months pregnant when my mom took my sisters to Dublin to see Ireland, so I could not go along- but its like an ache I have to go to Ireland someday and it would be even better if I could find family. Maybe I feel it a part of me because of my grandparents and how they felt about it and how much they loved Ireland. I must sound crazy.

    You don't sound it, because you're not. :)

    It's quite a common urge/need among the descendants of emigrants all over the world, not just the Irish. I grew up in Canada with stories of my ancestors (Dad's family) leaving Ireland on a coffin ship during the Great Hunger (1853 in fact, as I later discovered) and I was always fascinated with Mum's stories (she was born and reared here). Returning, as I did at aged 10, was quite the culture shock but I hope you make it back some day, and will better appreciate it as an adult.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    Hello everyone and thanks for the affirmation mod9maple!
    I found Agnes surname and it is Alguier. There were two people on a ship (could not get information yet on ship-awiting payday to pay for info) Marius and Mary Alguier and says they came from Ireland, and left from Liverpool or something England to the US via NY.
    My great gran Agnes is NOT in the MN birth index system but she is in the death Index for MN. I also found out that she was married to someone with the last name Aura (still working on paying for that information as well) and divorced him in MN.
    My gran from the Fitzgerald side, cool fact I discovered- I carry her middle name! Elizabeth. She was June Elizabeth Fitzgerald. born in 1920 so I can look for her mum being born circa 1900 ish... estimating she would be about 20 at least when gran was born.
    Anyone know of any free sites?
    I have tried to trace Alguier origin but every place I try to look does not have much info on this- is this another changed name possibly like Aura possibly was?
    Thanks again everyone- this is a daunting task- but I have such an urge to know.


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Coolnabacky1873


    MN, I'm guessing that's Minnesota and not Monaghan lolz.

    You're stretching the limits of my knowledge there.
    Try the following:
    Regan, Ann 2002 Irish in Minnesota
    Shannon, James 1976 Catholic colonization on the western frontier
    Connelly, Bridget 2003 Forgetting Ireland

    There are a load of Minnesota records on familysearch.org too.

    With all the vowels the name could well be a corruption of somethig else. The closest I found in MacLysaght's was Algeo, found in Leitrim and NE Ulster.

    Or maybe there were Huguenot Irish?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    There were Huguenot Irish.

    Celtic Princess - what religion is/was your family? Huguenots were Protestants but some did end up ironically converting to RC over a few generations.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I used to live in France and never came across the surname Alguier. Today’s online France Telecom directories (white & yellow pages) do not show any entries for the Alguier name. I’ve encountered the surnames Augier and Auger and there is an infrequent (60 entries) surname Falguier, which is mainly in two regions, Paris and the Midi-Pyrenees. The latter region was not a Huguenot stronghold, AFAIK.
    I wonder was the entry a mistranscription?


  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Coolnabacky1873


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    There were Huguenot Irish.

    Celtic Princess - what religion is/was your family? Huguenots were Protestants but some did end up ironically converting to RC over a few generations.

    Sorry for the confusion pinky, I meant to type 'or maybe THEY were Huguenot Irish.

    A stretch, but who is aungier st in Dublin named after?


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    Celtic Princess

    If you put the names with dates, birth, marriage, death, emmigration I can check ancestry for you, I'm getting confused as to who's who and when they might have travelled!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Sorry for the confusion pinky, I meant to type 'or maybe THEY were Huguenot Irish.

    A stretch, but who is aungier st in Dublin named after?

    The Earls of Longford of the first creation; that line died out about 1700 and the title was reactivated for the Pakenhams.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    Coolnabacky1873- yes that is Minnesota. I lived in NY for a few years- it was an amazing experience- I loved being exposed to all of the different people, accents, cultures and foods :)
    My gran was VERY VERY Catholic and at one point in my young life they were grooming me for convent! I did learn to play the fiddle though through my gran.
    It is possible for my gran da's mother to be a Huguenot Irish person. I am willing to entertain any thoughts about ancestry.

    Dido2- my great gran was born June 21st 1893 her name was Agnes Alguier (according to the spelling on legal documents such as my grand da's birth certificate). Grand da was born here in Minnesota in 1925 his name was David Charles Aura. I don't know his father's name yet, I am working on getting that information.
    My father's mum was June Elizabeth Fitzgerald born 1920 in Minnesota and her mother's maiden name is Shute. I am working on getting her birth certificate as well. I do not know her father's name yet- this should be on the birth certificate when I get it.
    Fun fact: My great gran and her daughter-in-law (my gran) and I always cut a potato in half and planted it on St. Patrick's Day every year. I have continued this tradition since she is gone. They always told me that if it sprouted that meant a prosperous year and that St. Patrick was looking kindly upon us.
    Anyway, thank you all so much again, you are all so sweet helping me get this all sorted and some sort of direction to take with this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    great gran Agnes Alguier's mums birth surname was Nolan


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    Celtic Princess

    I've found a record for your Granda David Aura on the 1930 Census it gives his fathers name as Carl Aura, if you want to PM your email address I can send you a screen shot of it


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3DJ-VB3

    This looks like them in the 1930 census


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    I can see a Marius Alguier on ancestry travelling arriving in 1939 to NY from Buenos Aires, but from Frace, he was born about 1887


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    dido2-
    Wow, his father was Swedish!! No one in the family ever knew that, when I ask my father about our heritage on his side, he always says Irish and that is about all.
    It is interesting that Agnes was born in Michigan and that explains why her birth certificate is NOT in the MN data base (as it would not be). Would an Irish immigrant from the English occupied side of Ireland be considered English? I noted that it said Canada English on her info sheet. I will have to read more of the information you posted. This is fantastic! I am surprised that everyone thought that we were a straight Irish family on father's side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    A little confused, it seems the information is not entirely clear on my great granda's origin, one says Sweeden and the other says Finland. Interesting none the less. A bit disappointed though, I wonder just how Irish I am now that I am finding some heritage details are not what was thought and passed down through family.
    A bit interested in the stories we were told by great gran and gran about Ireland too, as my confusion grows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    I'd imagine your Irishness comes from the Fitzgerald side of the family, but you never know!! I can't remember now if you've managed to get June Fitzgeralds marriage cert? That would give you her fathers name, do you know where they got married? apologies if you've already said where they got married!

    From what I've seen on emmigration records Irish people were classed and British Irish


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Celtic Princess


    No, I have not seen the certificate yet. I had to wait until today to order it so it will be a while before it comes. I am not that resourceful when it comes to geneology, I dont know how to get it free. I tried to look online at the document because we have an online index system- but I can not get any details from it- it is merely used to verify who you are looking for and then you still have to order the document to see the whole thing.
    :(...
    it is okay though... eventually I will figure it out, and especially with the help you have given me-it is very much appreciated.
    THank you!!! again and again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭dido2


    It's the same here only certain documents you can see on line, others are just references....

    But I'm sure you'll sort them out eventually!!!


    It does look like you've got not only your great grandfathers name but your Great Great grandparents name too via Carl Aura's death record!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,614 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    A little confused, it seems the information is not entirely clear on my great granda's origin, one says Sweeden and the other says Finland. Interesting none the less. A bit disappointed though, I wonder just how Irish I am now that I am finding some heritage details are not what was thought and passed down through family.
    A bit interested in the stories we were told by great gran and gran about Ireland too, as my confusion grows.

    That's easy. Sweden ruled Finland in the same way Britain ruled Ireland, so he's probably actually Finnish by modern standards but was a Swedish subject.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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