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Does multiculturalism ruin Santa?

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    #32
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Supergurrier wrote: »
    Santa is a purely commercial creation. Nothing to do with any religion.

    You don't even have to go that far back.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

    Saint Nicholas


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    #33
    Charmeleon
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    thegreengoblin wrote: »
    I've never heard this happen nor would I expect it to happen. Far more likely to be a bold and meany 'native' kid in their class saying it to them.

    Is that based on anything other than wishful thinking?


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    #34
    Paddy Cow
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    thegreengoblin wrote: »
    I've never heard this happen nor would I expect it to happen. Far more likely to be a bold and meany 'native' kid in their class saying it to them.
    At work when customers come in I make chit chat about Christmas. One woman told me that when her child was santa age, there was another mother who didn't do the whole santa thing and told her child the truth, who being a child, obviously went in and told the rest of the class, so it does happen. It caused ructions and she said that even though the kids are college age now, they still don't get on with that mother! I was just wondering if it's becoming a more common thing. The woman wasn't "native" and it was spoiled for the other kids when most were 4/5, so it wasn't an older kid ruining it for the younger ones.


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    #35
    ohnonotgmail
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    Saint Nicholas

    and what does that have to with the fat bloke with a beard?


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    #36
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Personally I think that there's too much carrot and not enough stick with santa as it stands- we need Krampus.


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    #37
    Ray Donovan
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    John Sacrimoni wrote: »
    I dont know about Santa, but there are no nativity plays or nativity crib displays in my daughters school anymore.

    I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.


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    #38
    John Sacrimoni
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭John Sacrimoni


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

    Exactly, it pisses me off that we are having to change our traditions to accomadate people thag are not from here. If anything it should be the other way around.

    This is how we do things, if people dont like it they can always head off back to wherever it is they came from.


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    #39
    Carry
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    I don't know what most of you are afraid of.

    Where I come from we had loads of multicultural festivities, the more the merrier. There was of course the Christian Christmas, the Jewish Hannukkah and the Islamic Eid al-Fitr, also aptly called Sugar Festival in the Turkish community (they have the most delicious sweets...).
    Now I have also friends who celebrate the pagan winter solstice.
    Any occasion to party was (and is) welcome - to everyone.

    All festivities have one thing in common: It's a wonderful get-together with lots of food and merriment, celebrated sometimes with different cultures together.

    Nobody wants to take away your Santa, apart from myself maybe :D I'm a non-believer. I won't tell children though, because I think it's a lovely tradition for little ones and kind of an universal ritual, if you take the religious stuff away.

    Christmas as such has pagan roots anyway. It's the darkest time of the year, celebrated with candles (as in Sweden with the Santa Lucia fest) and glitter to oust the darkness, not only outside but inside your soul as well.


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    #40
    [Deleted User]
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    The first time I heard anyone having an issue with Santa and Christmas in schools, was the Jehovah Witnesses in a local school about 30 years ago. So its nothing new.


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    #41
    thegreengoblin
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    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

    I'm not Catholic, it wouldn't offend me in the slightest but the way you wrote that sounds like you'd want it to offend people.


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    #42
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Charmeleon wrote: »
    Is that based on anything other than wishful thinking?

    It's based on years of growing up in Ireland and knowing how kids act.


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    #43
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

    does the Joseph look 40 and Mary 14, for accuracy


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    #44
    Omackeral
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    thegreengoblin wrote: »
    I'm not Catholic, it wouldn't offend me in the slightest but the way you wrote that sounds like you'd want it to offend people.

    Maybe he's just sick and tired of being told you can't do this or you can't do that?


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    #45
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    Mary 14, for accuracy

    I never knew that. Not Muhammad country, but still. Crikey.


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    #46
    John Sacrimoni
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭John Sacrimoni


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I never knew that. Not Muhammad country, but still. Crikey.

    Ronnie Wood territory.


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    #47
    archer22
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I never knew that. Not Muhammad country, but still. Crikey.

    https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/30/marriage-of-mary-to-joseph-the-carpenter/ :eek:


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    #48
    Graces7
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    What does Santa have to do with catholicism?

    Nothing. Thankfully.


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    #49
    Graces7
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    Moghead wrote: »
    I'm white Irish and was raised a Catholic. Some other white irish Catholic kid told all my class there is no Santa in 2nd class.

    No matter what their background is, there will always be some smartarse who will try and ruin it for everyone else.

    ruin what?


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    #50
    Omackeral
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    What does Santa have to do with catholicism?
    Graces7 wrote: »
    Nothing. Thankfully.

    Santa is sounder than God. Fact.


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    #51
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    I’m a primary school teacher and I make sure our school has a crib in the most prominent place in the building. I’m sure this offends many but it’s a Catholic school so tough ****.

    Lovely to see the Cribs in towns also


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    #52
    Omackeral
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    ruin what?

    The Santa magic for all the other children when they find out he's fictional.
    Moghead wrote: »
    Some other white irish Catholic kid told all my class there is no Santa in 2nd class.


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    #53
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Try_harder wrote: »
    does the Joseph look 40 and Mary 14, for accuracy



    Like a Travellers wedding, or is that 16?


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    #54
    RayCun
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    thegreengoblin wrote: »
    I'm not Catholic, it wouldn't offend me in the slightest but the way you wrote that sounds like you'd want it to offend people.

    Christmas, the traditional time for telling people who aren't like you or aren't from around here to **** off


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    #55
    realitykeeper
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    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    I wasn't sure how to word the title but the cheapskate Santa thread reminded me of something I've thought about in the past. When I was a kid, diversity wasn't a thing. We were all white, Irish and apart from one Protestant kid in the class, Catholic. So we all had the same belief about Santa. Nowadays there is a lot of diversity, which means there will be kids in the class for whom Santa isn't a thing. Does this cause any problems? Do they tell the other kids that Santa isn't real? Do they get upset that they don't get presents?

    It could be argued that Santa ruined the true meaning of Christmas. Also, telling kids about Santa is a bad idea. Apart from the fact that it is a lie, and could weaken their trust in the parent, it also harms their notion of reality. Just because they know Santa is not real, does not mean they cannot enjoy the Santa experience.

    A child`s innocence is not for the amusement of adults. By trying to preserve their innocence, you may end up destroying it. As for the power of magic and possibility, that is something kids can keep into adulthood and for their whole lives in the simple story of the nativity.


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    #56
    Graces7
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    realitykeeper wrote: »
    It could be argued that Santa ruined the true meaning of Christmas. Also, telling kids about Santa is a bad idea. Apart from the fact that it is a lie, it harms their notion of reality. Just because they know Santa is not real, does not mean they cannot enjoy the Santa experience.

    A child`s innocence is not for the amusement of adults. By trying to preserve their innocence, you may end up destroying it. As for the power of magic and possibility, that is something kids can keep into adulthood and for their whole lives in the simple story of the nativity.

    Thank you. My thoughts too... ;) Needed saying.


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    #57
    Unanimous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 143 ✭✭Unanimous


    Well Santa isn't real so why should kids be believing in it in the first place?


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    #58
    OldMrBrennan83
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Christmas, the traditional time for telling people who aren't like you or aren't from around here to **** off

    Or to just tell people that not everything has to change about us to accommodate other people.


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    #59
    TheValeyard
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    Unanimous wrote: »
    Well Santa isn't real so why should kids be believing in it in the first place?

    Booooooooooooooo


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    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #60
    Wanderer78
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    realitykeeper wrote:
    A child`s innocence is not for the amusement of adults. By trying to preserve their innocence, you may end up destroying it. As for the power of magic and possibility, that is something kids can keep into adulthood and for their whole lives in the simple story of the nativity.


    Fcuking hell, no wonder your posts are filled with joy, cheer up for fcuk sake and embrace the fun. Happy unfun season to you to!


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    #61
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,321 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Without multiculturalism there is no Santa.


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