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16-06-2019, 10:26   #31
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It would be more to do with the mechanics of downsizing. It is a daunting prospect for a septuagenarian to contemplate selling tyheir home and buying another. They may not have ready cash for deposits, legal fees and the ability to borrow. In addition, Selling, renting and buying again is not easy. No wonder they stay in their houses till they die.
70% of the population live in under occupied dwellings.
70% of the population are not septuagenarians.
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16-06-2019, 10:41   #32
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70% of the population live in under occupied dwellings.
70% of the population are not septuagenarians.
Exactly.

I think it's how this statistic it's measured. When you look at the details it's weighted to favor poorer economies and or highly density in cities and urbanisation in general. Also a long history of same. I don't think Ireland ticks any of these boxes.
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I see no weighting

under-occupied dwellings meaning that the dwellings were deemed to be too large, in terms of excess rooms and more specifically bedrooms, for the needs of the occupant household.
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16-06-2019, 10:55   #34
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Is it any wonder when the monocity policy is to close down as much as possible in the rest of Ireland and move everyone and everything to Dublin.
And then people wonder why there is a Dublin housing crisis.
Not good for Dublin or Ireland.
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There's plenty of unoccupied or under occupied dwellings in rural parts of Ireland, including many small towns and villages. Are these slanting the statistics? Though rural parts of say France are also becoming sparsely populated.

Still in relation to Ireland, no reason why there shouldn't be a more rigorous resettlement policy for people who require LA housing.
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Not helped by social housing being allocated for life. Couple with kids given 3 or 4 bedroom house, kids move out in their 20’s, couple remain in the house for decades.
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Much of the under occupancy is in Dublin and not in Social housing.

This is by no means a social housing issue.

It's a housing issue.
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16-06-2019, 11:03   #38
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Still in relation to Ireland, no reason why there shouldn't be a more rigorous resettlement policy for people who require LA housing.
That's treating symptoms not the cause, something we already do too much of.
Cause and effect. We should be directing most of our efforts to addressing causes, not effects.
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16-06-2019, 11:06   #39
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I'd like to see the house or rather houses owned by politicians. how they can afford them should be highlighted. fat cats. cheek of them to tell normal people how to.live.
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Much of the under occupancy is in Dublin and not in Social housing.
There are swathes of the city between the canals which could be cleared in favour of apartment blocks. Regeneration seems to be part and parcel of cities in North America, why not here? Who has the will to do it?
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That's treating symptoms not the cause, something we already do too much of.
Cause and effect. We should be directing most of our efforts to addressing causes, not effects.
Not understanding what you mean.. surely 3 bed family home over time becoming 3 bed elderly widow’s home = under occupancy = cause/contributes to lack of supply for families in high demand areas (and with social housing, the rent also reduces in line with the occupancy rate, unlike in the real world). Failure to move the social tenant to a small flat means even more 3 bed social homes would have to be built, rather than recycling the existing supply in a rational manner.
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Our 4 biggest cities especially Dublin are just humungous suburbs. When the kids fly the nest youre left with just mom & dad. Alot of these moms & dad's especially if they are comfortable have a holiday home in the country.Terrible planning in the cities Joe....ha..ha. I live in Cork where it can take an hour just to drive across the river, and even MORE suburbs are spouting like mushrooms on the outsirts. The 'plan' seems to be build more suburbs and be damned.Many smaller towns in Ireland are ' dying on their feet' especially anything away from coastal tourism. You know the typical one long street of misery towns. Nobody is moving into the town houses. Most I know either try for a LO house or build a new big house in a field if they have a decent income. I'm not sure what they have against the old town houses.?? Down in West cork & Kerry I was doing abit of canvassing type work a few winter's ago and the amount of unocuupied holiday homes was an eye-opener. I'm sure things are similar all along the coast.
What's to be done. ??
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Not understanding what you mean.. surely 3 bed family home over time becoming 3 bed elderly widow’s home = under occupancy = cause/contributes to lack of supply for families in high demand areas
Applies to all types of housing.
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Not helped by social housing being allocated for life. Couple with kids given 3 or 4 bedroom house, kids move out in their 20’s, couple remain in the house for decades.
It’s the councils own making here. Let’s take the council estate up the road from me as an example of what should be done to combat this. Btw they were built in the 1970s.

2 bedroom homes which were allocated to the mid-aged to elderly single/couple and 3-4 bedroom houses built for couples with children. When the children would move out and upon the death of an aged neighbour, the couple would move over to occupy the smaller house, reducing their weekly rent and freeing up a 3/4 bedroom house. rThis is still happening to this day.

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LA Housing estates built since the 1980s are a minimum of 3 bedrooms with no option to downsize or any 2 bed houses in the locality. It’s unreasonable to expect people in these estate to move out of the area.
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Long retirement doesn't provide a incentive to trade down, because a 100k lump sum would only provide maybe 300/mo in annuity income.

The main incentive is cashflow, and that would be helped by a chunky property tax and more active management of social housing.

The problem with any attempt to tackle this issue is that 70% don't want it so it's electoral suicide. So we get hand wringing and inaction.
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