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15-06-2019, 21:48   #1
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Ireland has the highest proportion of under occupied dwellings in the EU.

Ireland has the highest proportion of under occupied dwellings in the EU.

70% of the population in Ireland were living in under-occupied dwellings in 2016.
In contrast, fewer than 15% of the population in Europe were living in dwellings deemed to be too large.

https://www.independent.ie/business/...-37011949.html / Eurostat

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I think we're a way off that beauf:

Ireland has the highest proportion of under occupied dwellings in the EU.

70% of the population in Ireland were living in under-occupied dwellings in 2016.
In contrast, fewer than 15% of the population in Europe were living in dwellings deemed to be too large.

https://www.independent.ie/business/...-37011949.html / Eurostat
I wonder how that relates to how many live in urban/rural areas compared the urban density in other countries.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...ing_conditions

It will be interesting to see a breakdown of the age profile if occupants and housing type and location of those properties under occupied.

Irish media (and reporter's) have a habit of being economical with the stats it reports. They do this a lot with cycling stats
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Surely that underoccupancy relates directly to poor planning? With urban and rural sprawl, how many of those properties are near public transport links, amenities etc.
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Probably a reflection on our legal system, the time it takes and the cost to change property. Also disfunctional rental legislation.
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Under occupancy here is precisely because of our high owner occupancy. The traditional set up is to buy a house as a couple with 3 or 4 bedrooms and under-occupy it.

Over time, have two children, who move out and under occupy their own place somewhere else. Their childhood bedroom is left, unoccupied as a shrine, until the parents shuffle on to one of them passing away, or maybe into a nursing home... Once they are both gone, probate and repurposing the house takes another number of years.

Over the 60 or 70 years of living in the 4 bed house, it is used to capacity for maybe 18 of those.
So now homelessness is caused by selfish people saving up, getting a mortgage, rearing a family and wanting to actually live in the house they actually BOUGHT?
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Who said people were selfish?

The fact is we have the highest rates, if not the highest rate of under-occupancy in the EU. There's no point pretending otherwise.

What that tells us is we're using property inefficiently.

FYI under occupancy is also a significant issue in LA housing.
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As this is an interesting enough topic on its own, I've split the under occupancy discussion out to its own thread.
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Probably a reflection on our legal system, the time it takes and the cost to change property. Also disfunctional rental legislation.
Things you don’t like?
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So now homelessness is caused by selfish people saving up, getting a mortgage, rearing a family and wanting to actually live in the house they actually BOUGHT?
Yes. To a certain extent. So is the refugee crisis. What either need is a bed not a house.
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So now homelessness is caused by selfish people saving up, getting a mortgage, rearing a family and wanting to actually live in the house they actually BOUGHT?
No. It is just no efficient within the wider built economy. Probably ok up until the Celtic Tiger years but now we have become a bit like everywhere else with all everywhere else issues, such as housing demand. Before the CT years we could have survived as we always did, but those days have gone.
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Things you don’t like?
Is there any situation where people want more legal delays and added expense?

I don't get what you are asking....
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Ireland has chronic dwelling under occupancy because of legal delays?
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The first answer to the headline is So What? Is this the next thing now, no point in working for anything?

With everyone being forced into bike and buses and now this will prompt being forced to live in shoeboxes, it's getting to the stage where there's not much point in bothering with anything.


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The fact is we have the highest rates, if not the highest rate of under-occupancy in the EU.. .

What that tells us is we're using property inefficiently.

FYI under occupancy is also a significant issue in LA housing.
... It's very hard to discuss when we have no background on there or what is underutilised. It's just a random stats with no background or context.

People jump to assumption is old people in large houses when previous reports suggested this wasnt that big an issue. Also people wanting to rent or buy first property don't generally buy or afford these houses.

So then we usually come back to mobility of being able to change houses. Likewise older people downsizing. But people suggesting that have usually no experience if trying to do that. They assume it's a lot easier and cheaper than it is.

This rush to build smaller and denser properties that are poorly serviced with amenities and locations will be a mistake. We've done it before. But never learn the lessons.

When we compare underutilised housing Europe wide we are comparing with places like Romania. Which have very little underutilization. Is that what we want.

The housing shortage isn't caused by this. It's other policies. Many deliberate.
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The first answer to the headline is So What? Is this the next thing now, no point in working for anything?
first timer buyers and rented are over represented on these forums. So the discussions are biased in favor of their immediate issues. If you were on financial forum there would be biased differently, as the age and economic profile would be different. That's just life.
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