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Champions Cup 2019/20 draw - Wed 19th June 1pm Irish time

  • 27-05-2019 10:33am
    #1
    thomond2006
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    The Theatre de Beaulieu in Lausanne will play host to the Pool Stage Draws, with Europe’s top club sides being pitted against each other at 14:00 CEST on Wednesday 19 June.

    https://www.epcrugby.com/2019/05/24/heineken-champions-cup-and-european-rugby-challenge-cup-pool-stage-draw-details/

    Champions Cup Participants
    Pro14: Leinster, Glasgow Warriors, Munster, Ulster, Connacht, Benetton, Ospreys
    Premiership: Saracens, Exeter Chiefs, Gloucester, Northampton Saints, Bath, Sale Sharks
    Top14: Toulouse, Clermont, Lyon, Montpellier, La Rochelle, Racing 92


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  • #2
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Do we know current seedings, or do we have to wait until Top14 is completed?


  • #3
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Do we know current seedings, or do we have to wait until Top14 is completed?

    Oddly the draw takes place before the Top14 final, so unless I'm missing something we won't know who the Top14's top seed is.


  • #4
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Current rankings, which I'm assuming are correct. I didn't make this list myself.

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    That +22 for Leinster and -22 for Glasgow is the Pro14 final I would guess.

    Looking at the criteria, the tiers are decided by league finishing positions, what are the European rankings for again?


  • #5
    MaybeMaybe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭MaybeMaybe


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Oddly the draw takes place before the Top14 final, so unless I'm missing something we won't know who the Top14's top seed is.

    Top 14 final is 15 June


  • #6
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    MaybeMaybe wrote: »
    Top 14 final is 15 June

    Oops!


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  • #7
    Dubinusa
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    Where will the final be played?


  • #8
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    Where will the final be played?
    Marseille


  • #9
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Marseille

    Thanks.


  • #10
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭slingerz


    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Do we know current seedings, or do we have to wait until Top14 is completed?


    Instead of seedings i think it it tiers that they are organsied into. Leinster will be tier 1 anyway and Glasgow may also be Tier 1. The runners up will be drawn to see which two get into tier 1 if i remember correctly.


  • #11
    daddy pig
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    As it stands...

    Tier 1
    Leinster : Premiership Winner : Top 14 Winner : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd

    Tier 2
    Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Munster : Gloucester : Top 14 3rd : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th

    Tier 3
    Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Connacht : Harlequins : Top 14 5th

    Tier 4
    Treviso : Bath : Top 14 6th : Ospreys : Sale


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  • #12
    Former Former
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    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Current rankings, which I'm assuming are correct. I didn't make this list myself.

    That +22 for Leinster and -22 for Glasgow is the Pro14 final I would guess.

    Looking at the criteria, the tiers are decided by league finishing positions, what are the European rankings for again?

    There are no European rankings anymore. Wherever those came from, they're unofficial.


  • #13
    ScrubsfanChris
    Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    daddy pig wrote: »
    As it stands...

    Tier 1
    Leinster : Premiership Winner : Top 14 Winner : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd

    Tier 2
    Glasgow/Premiership 2nd/Top 14 2nd : Munster : Gloucester : Top 14 3rd : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th

    Tier 3
    Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Ulster/Northampton/Top 14 4th : Connacht : Harlequins : Top 14 5th

    Tier 4
    Treviso : Bath : Top 14 6th : Ospreys : Sale
    Lots of ifs and maybes so...
    Munster are ranked 3rd in the league so are guaranteed Tier 2


  • #14
    Buer
    Registered Users Posts: 24,175 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Well, group of death is now almost automatically the pool that features Racing as 3rd/4th seed. Something along the lines of Saracens, Munster, Racing and Bath could potentially come to pass.


  • #15
    Erik Shun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭Erik Shun


    Buer wrote: »
    Well, group of death is now almost automatically the pool that features Racing as 3rd/4th seed. Something along the lines of Saracens, Munster, Racing and Bath could potentially come to pass.

    Leinster, Glasgow, Racing and Bath is do-able as well?
    Theres a chance of s tasty group right enough..


  • #16
    Buer
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    Racing and Montpellier the bottom two seeds from France. Not going to be handy trips for higher seeds at all.


  • #17
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Buer wrote: »
    Racing and Montpellier the bottom two seeds from France. Not going to be handy trips for higher seeds at all.

    Leinster will need to draw a Pro14 team in the bottom tier right? (Benetton or Ospreys)

    Clubs from the same league will be kept apart until the allocation of the Tier 4 clubs.

    https://www.epcrugby.com/2018/06/19/pool-draws-2018-19-heineken-champions-challenge-cup/

    Potentially some tough trips for Munster...


  • #18
    Former Former
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    Erik Shun wrote: »
    Leinster, Glasgow, Racing and Bath is do-able as well?
    Theres a chance of s tasty group right enough..

    No, you can only get another team from the same league when you get to the fourth tier. So the Irish sides can only get Benetton or Ospreys.


  • #19
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    With the Top14 final to come:

    Tier 1:
    Saracens
    Leinster
    Toulouse or Clermont
    Toulouse/Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Toulouse/Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

    Tier 2:
    Toulouse/Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Gloucester
    Munster
    Lyon
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

    Tier 3:
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    Harlequins
    Connacht
    Racing 92

    Tier 4:
    Bath
    Benetton
    Montpellier
    Ospreys
    Sale Sharks


  • #20
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Tier 1:
    Saracens
    Leinster
    Toulouse
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

    Tier 2:
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Gloucester
    Munster
    Lyon
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

    Tier 3:
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    Harlequins
    Connacht
    Racing 92

    Tier 4:
    Bath
    Benetton
    Montpellier
    Ospreys
    Sale Sharks


  • #21
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Tier 1:
    Saracens
    Leinster
    Toulouse
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

    Tier 2:
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Gloucester
    Munster
    Lyon
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

    Tier 3:
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    Harlequins
    Connacht
    Racing 92

    Tier 4:
    Bath
    Benetton
    Montpellier
    Ospreys
    Sale Sharks

    Why are there still options? Are these picked out of a hat on the day?


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  • #22
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    troyzer wrote: »
    Why are there still options? Are these picked out of a hat on the day?

    Yes, 1 losing finalist has to be a Tier 2 team.


  • #23
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    Why are there still options? Are these picked out of a hat on the day?

    Yes, 1 losing finalist has to be a Tier 2 team.

    And one losing semi finalist has to drop into tier 3?


  • #24
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    troyzer wrote: »
    And one losing semi finalist has to drop into tier 3?

    One of the lower ranked teams, yes.


  • #25
    Burkie1203
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    One of the lower ranked teams, yes.

    If Ulster drop into tier 3 then Leinster or Munster are guaranteed to draw Racing/La Rochelle


  • #26
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Tier 1:
    Saracens
    Leinster
    Toulouse
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs

    Tier 2:
    Clermont/Glasgow/Exeter Chiefs
    Gloucester
    Munster
    Lyon
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster

    Tier 3:
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    La Rochelle/Northampton Saints/Ulster
    Harlequins
    Connacht
    Racing 92

    Tier 4:
    Bath
    Benetton
    Montpellier
    Ospreys
    Sale Sharks

    Why are munster tier 2 but ulster potentially tier 3? Both losing semi finalists


  • #27
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    FrannoFan wrote: »
    Why are munster tier 2 but ulster potentially tier 3? Both losing semi finalists


    Munster finished with more points in the regular season.


  • #28
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    If Ulster drop into tier 3 then Leinster or Munster are guaranteed to draw Racing/La Rochelle

    Why could they not draw Quins?


  • #29
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    If Ulster drop into tier 3 then Leinster or Munster are guaranteed to draw Racing/La Rochelle

    If Ulster and La Rochelle both drop down
    i.e. If Exeter drop down to tier 2, Saints have to remain in tier 2 too, so Ulster and La Rochelle would drop down to tier 3.


  • #30
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,119 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    slingerz wrote: »
    Why could they not draw Quins?

    They can but if Ulster drop down Leinster OR Munster will get R92/LAR.

    One could get Quins but the other is defo getting one of the other 2


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  • #31
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    They can but if Ulster drop down Leinster OR Munster will get R92/LAR.

    One could get Quins but the other is defo getting one of the other 2

    Or Saints


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