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Ireland Under 20 2019 6 Nations and World Championships

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    #1892
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Baird playing 6 in the last two games will probably be good for his development in the long run, having a player with the second row physicality thats able to get around the pitch like a 6 is a very useful thing to have. Him and Ryan are a very rugby smart second row partnership.


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    #1893
    FellasFellas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    I'd rather take a punt on Charlie Ryan or Baird than keep Molony. Let Molony go elsewhere.


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    #1894
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    FellasFellas wrote: »
    I'd rather take a punt on Charlie Ryan or Baird than keep Molony. Let Molony go elsewhere.

    Drop a fella who we've invested years developing who has 82 senior appearances and has captained the team for fellas who have completed one year of the academy?

    That's a bizarrely short sighted statement.

    If they can perform to the standard, they will start over Molony. He does not need to be elsewhere for this to happen


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    #1895
    FellasFellas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Drop a fella who we've invested years developing who has 82 senior appearances and has captained the team for fellas who have completed one year of the academy?

    That's a bizarrely short sighted statement.

    If they can perform to the standard, they will start over Molony. He does not need to be elsewhere for this to happen

    Hardly short sighted when Molony hasn't done much whatsoever since he had a very good season or two a few years back. We've just let Kearney and Nagle go so he may well be kept on like you say, I would expect the two of them to pass him out soon.


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    #1896
    Lucas44
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Buer wrote: »
    I think Charlie Ryan is really flying under the radar relative to the likes of Baird. I thought he had a fantastic tournament, a really gritty and efficient performer who has done a solid job throughout. He doesn't have the dynamism of someone like Baird but he has a great engine and reminds me a little of someone like Leo Cullen.

    It's unusual for someone of his profile not to already be in the academy. He's a 2 year member of the U20 squad which is fairly good company straight away as well as captaining the side to the Grand Slam title and at the JWC.

    With Dunne, Dowling, Baird, Ryan and Molony all being present at Leinster for years to come and opporunities potentially being limited, I'd expect that the other provinces are already in touch with Charlie Ryan. Munster would be a very interesting option for him if they made an approach, I'd have thought.

    Brian deeny will be coming into the academy next year aswell for leinster


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    #1897
    kingofthekong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭kingofthekong


    Does anybody know who the backrow options are for next year?

    I know Mccann is eligible again, Clohessy,

    Am I right that we might be fairly light there next year?


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    #1898
    Purist98
    Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭Purist98


    kingofthekong wrote: »
    Does anybody know who the backrow options are for next year?

    I know Mccann is eligible again, Clohessy,

    Am I right that we might be fairly light there next year?

    McCann, Ciaran Booth, Mark Hernan, Anthony Ryan, Sean O'Brien and Cian Prendergast were the back rows who played Ireland u19s this season


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    #1899
    Lucas44
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    kingofthekong wrote: »
    Does anybody know who the backrow options are for next year?

    I know Mccann is eligible again, Clohessy,

    Am I right that we might be fairly light there next year?

    McCann banbridge/ulster u19, booth sale u19, Sean Obrien Blackrock/leinster u19, Anthony Ryan trinity/leinster u19 , Mark Hernan st michaels/leinster u19 , Ryan Oneill Armagh/ulster u19, Cian Prendergast ucd/leinster u19, Cian Hurley cbc/ Munster u19, Alex Kendellen pbc/ Munster u18 , Daniel okeke ardscoil/ Munster u18, Will hickey st michaels/ leinster u18, Oisín mccormack garbally/connacht U18s, Diarmuid McCormack clongowes/connacht U18s , Donnacha Byrne Sligo/connacht u18


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    #1900
    deecebackrow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭deecebackrow


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    McCann banbridge/ulster u19, booth sale u19, Sean Obrien Blackrock/leinster u19, Anthony Ryan trinity/leinster u19 , Mark Hernan st michaels/leinster u19 , Ryan Oneill Armagh/ulster u19, Cian Prendergast ucd/leinster u19, Cian Hurley cbc/ Munster u19, Alex Kendellen pbc/ Munster u18 , Daniel okeke ardscoil/ Munster u18, Will hickey st michaels/ leinster u18, Oisín mccormack garbally/connacht U18s, Diarmuid McCormack clongowes/connacht U18s , Donnacha Byrne Sligo/connacht u18

    Kendellan, Okeke, Hickey and D McCormack are all still in school next season so not options.

    Booth's knee injury could mean he misses all of next season.

    A lot of quality options at 6, not many at 7 or 8.


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    #1901
    deecebackrow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭deecebackrow


    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Brian deeny will be coming into the academy next year aswell for leinster

    sub-academy next season, probable academy season after.


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    #1902
    deecebackrow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭deecebackrow


    FellasFellas wrote: »
    Hardly short sighted when Molony hasn't done much whatsoever since he had a very good season or two a few years back. We've just let Kearney and Nagle go so he may well be kept on like you say, I would expect the two of them to pass him out soon.

    Molony just had a very good season for Leinster.

    He isn't going anywhere.


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    #1903
    deecebackrow
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 ✭deecebackrow


    Possible XV for next season:

    1. Harry Noonan(Leinster)
    2. John McKee(Leinster)*
    3. Tom Clarkson(Leinster)*
    4. Brian Deeny(Leinster)*
    5. Tom Ahern(Munster)*
    6. Anthony Ryan(Leinster)
    7. Mark Hernan(Leinster)
    8. David McCann(Ulster)*
    9. Ben Murphy(Leinster)
    10. Jack Crowley(Munster)
    11. Aaron Sexton(Ulster)
    12. Mick O'Gara(Leinster)
    13. Hayden Hyde(Ulster)
    14. Andrew Smith(Leinster)
    15. Max O'Reilly(Leinster)*

    * = previously capped by ireland u20


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    #1904
    Lucas44
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    deecebackrow wrote: »
    sub-academy next season, probable academy season after.

    Nah he’ll be in academy after his second year of 20s.


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    #1905
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    It's mad, Ross Molony is a good player. But, I think the futelure locks will pass him by over the next couple of years. I hope Leinster take Ryan into the academy, if not I think he's bound for Belfast.


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    #1906
    molloyjh
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    If Molony can kick on from last season then he wont be going anywhere. Hes got a good deal of potential, is a bloody good line out operator and is already seen as a leader in the senior squad. He can actually step off both feet well to so if he can bring that bit more physicality I can see him becoming a very good player for us.

    Still, it's a great conversation to be having given where we were several years ago at lock.


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    #1907
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    FellasFellas wrote: »
    Hardly short sighted when Molony hasn't done much whatsoever since he had a very good season or two a few years back. We've just let Kearney and Nagle go so he may well be kept on like you say, I would expect the two of them to pass him out soon.

    It's quite obviously short sighted.

    You don't rate Molony. Fine

    You're saying to cut him loose now for 2 players who've played 20 minutes of senior rugby between them?

    How many players haven't lived up to their potential at senior level having being rated at U20's?

    Hint: It's a lot.

    Let's wait and see how the young fellas fare. Good performances will be rewarded


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    #1908
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    https://www.world.rugby/u20/news/429067
    England centre Cameron Redpath will appear at a hearing before an independent World Rugby Disciplinary Committee chaired by Alan Hudson (Canada) along with John Langford (former Australia player) and Sarah Smith (former Scotland player) in Rosario on 19 June, 2019 having been cited by Citing Commissioner Enrique Cazenave (Argentina) for biting Ireland hooker Dylan Tierney-Martin in breach of Law 9.12 in their match at the World Rugby U20 Championship in Rosario, Argentina, on 17 June, 2019.

    Well that doesn't make for good reading.

    Wont change the result if he's found guilty


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    #1909
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Redpath accepted the citing. The Disciplinary Committee received evidence from Redpath, Tierney-Martin, the Ireland team doctor and the referee as well as submissions on behalf of the player in relation to the entry point. The Disciplinary Committee considered that this was a low-end breach of Law 9.12 which carries a 12-week entry point. The Disciplinary Committee considered the player’s previously clean record, early acceptance of his conduct, apology, youth and inexperience to reduce the sanction by the maximum 50 per cent to six weeks.

    I'm sorry what??

    This wont change the result and has no affect affect on my life but....

    How is there a "low end breach" for biting? You've deliberately put your teeth around another person. A bloody 3 year old knows not to do that.

    "Youth and inexperience" is just insulting to all involved...

    "Sorry I bit him, but I'm 19 - barely a legal adult - I don't know what I am doing" how does this hold up??

    And to get half shaved off? I know it's common place now but that is sheer and utter scumbaggery that should be shown no leniency.

    Rugby is losing the run of itself with regards to citing and banning


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    #1910
    kingofthekong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭kingofthekong


    Is Hayden Hyde elidgible for the squad this year?, wouldve thought he would be called in ahead of Ryan , I've heard hes a cracking player


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    #1911
    jmn51927
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭jmn51927


    kingofthekong wrote: »
    Is Hayden Hyde elidgible for the squad this year?, wouldve thought he would be called in ahead of Ryan , I've heard hes a cracking player

    He will be under 19 this summer.


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    #1912
    kingofthekong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭kingofthekong


    Ah thought he was an u19


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    #1913
    mark_way
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭mark_way


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    I'm sorry what??

    This wont change the result and has no affect affect on my life but....

    How is there a "low end breach" for biting? You've deliberately put your teeth around another person. A bloody 3 year old knows not to do that.

    "Youth and inexperience" is just insulting to all involved...

    "Sorry I bit him, but I'm 19 - barely a legal adult - I don't know what I am doing" how does this hold up??

    And to get half shaved off? I know it's common place now but that is sheer and utter scumbaggery that should be shown no leniency.

    Rugby is losing the run of itself with regards to citing and banning

    Dry your eyes, mate. No-one got an ear bitten off.


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    #1914
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    mark_way wrote: »
    Dry your eyes, mate. No-one got an ear bitten off.

    What does this antagonistic comment add to the thread?

    5 posts in and you've already identified yourself as a pest.

    Welcome back user who previously had an account deleted...


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    #1915
    mark_way
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭mark_way


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    What does this antagonistic comment add to the thread?

    5 posts in and you've already identified yourself as a pest.

    Welcome back user who previously had an account deleted...

    Your post came across as way over-dramatic. Did you even see the incident?

    I'll ignore your ad-hominem.


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    #1916
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    mark_way wrote: »
    Your post came across as way over-dramatic. Did you even see the incident?

    I'll ignore your ad-hominem.

    While we're on the topic of ignore...

    Won't be seeing you


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    #1917
    mark_way
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭mark_way


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    While we're on the topic of ignore...

    Won't be seeing you

    Drama queen.


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    #1918
    gazump123
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭gazump123


    jmn51927 wrote: »
    He will be under 19 this summer.

    No he isn't, born in 2000.

    https://www.ulsterrugby.com/2019/06/abbey-insurance-ulster-academy-2019-20-squad-announced/


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    #1919
    Lucas44
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    gazump123 wrote: »
    No he isn't, born in 2000.

    https://www.ulsterrugby.com/2019/06/abbey-insurance-ulster-academy-2019-20-squad-announced/

    Can’t call up someone mid exams


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    Number 137
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭Number 137


    New Zealand XV to play Ireland:

    1. Oliver Norris - 6'4 - 122kg
    2. Shilo Klein - 5'9 - 106kg
    3. Fletcher Newell - 6'1 - 112kg
    4. Cullen Grace - 6'3 - 106kg
    5. Tupo Vaa'i - 6'6 - 118kg
    6. Kaylum Boshier - 6'2 - 100kg
    7. Jeriah Mua - 6'1 - 104kg
    8. Simon Parker - 6'4 - 109kg
    9. Taufa Funaki - 5'8 - 91kg
    10. Rivez Reihana - 6'3 - 94kg
    11. Leicester Fainga'anuku - 6'2 - 108kg
    12. Quinn Tupaea - 6'1 - 97kg
    13. Billy Proctor - 6'2 - 98kg
    14. Etene Nanai Seturo - 6'0 - 89kg
    15. Cole Forbes - 5'11 - 91kg


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    #1921
    Hands Like Flippers
    Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Hands Like Flippers


    Number 137 wrote: »
    New Zealand XV to play Ireland:

    1. Oliver Norris - 6'4 - 122kg
    2. Shilo Klein - 5'9 - 106kg
    3. Fletcher Newell - 6'1 - 112kg
    4. Cullen Grace - 6'3 - 106kg
    5. Tupo Vaa'i - 6'6 - 118kg
    6. Kaylum Boshier - 6'2 - 100kg
    7. Jeriah Mua - 6'1 - 104kg
    8. Simon Parker - 6'4 - 109kg
    9. Taufa Funaki - 5'8 - 91kg
    10. Rivez Reihana - 6'3 - 94kg
    11. Leicester Fainga'anuku - 6'2 - 108kg
    12. Quinn Tupaea - 6'1 - 97kg
    13. Billy Proctor - 6'2 - 98kg
    14. Etene Nanai Seturo - 6'0 - 89kg
    15. Cole Forbes - 5'11 - 91kg

    Based on what I have seen so far I will be very surprised if we can't win this one.


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