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13-02-2020, 23:25   #16
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but they started it.
They made the "mistake" of going after the countries/territories the empires had designated "protected". It's worth considering that the British and other major nations engaged in their own territory grabbing within a hundred years of both world wars. And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict. The arrogance of the major powers was a large factor for both wars (European war, and the Pacific war) happening. The wars were inevitable but.. neither the US or Britain/France had clean hands in the whole thing.
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Read an article of an account by a British POW today who was there at the time. He is still alive today. Was in the daily mail. Harrowing story.
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The reason the Allies bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of Tokyo was that Tokyo was already destroyed by repeated bombing campaigns.
On a point of order, the reason Nagasaki was bombed was because there was cloud cover over Kokura. The bomb also missed its intended (secondary) target in Nagasaki so the destruction wasn’t as much as planned.

Hiroshima was spared from previous fire bombing campaigns because it earmarked as a target city for an atomic bomb. Tokyo could also have been spared had it been earmarked too.

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Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

Spectacular stuff.
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Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

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Idiotic comment.
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Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

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Just hundreds upon hundreds of women, children and old people that I guarantee had nothing to do with concentration camps. Just like large swathes of the German army didn't either.
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Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

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Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

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Great pictures and I genuinely take some satisfaction from knowing that many German civilians suffered terrible deaths during those bombings. They had plenty of blood on their hands as a people by then and very few were innocent or had no role to play in their war effort, or the suffering of those sent to their deaths in the camps.

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What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?
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They made the "mistake" of going after the countries/territories the empires had designated "protected". It's worth considering that the British and other major nations engaged in their own territory grabbing within a hundred years of both world wars. And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict. The arrogance of the major powers was a large factor for both wars (European war, and the Pacific war) happening. The wars were inevitable but.. neither the US or Britain/France had clean hands in the whole thing.
Well aware of that, it was the war of all wars. It was the best war evenly matched forces fighting each other, it took sheer numbers and some denial of resources to win.

This is AH tho so " they started it"
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What’s wrong with what he said? If they could do the same to ISIS these days would you be hand wringing as well?
ISIS =/= Ordinary muslim civilians
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ISIS =/= Ordinary muslim civilians
No but ISIS strongholds = ISIS all the same
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And the US was oil blockading Japan, which was known to likely force them into conflict.
Refusing to sell oil to a country engaged in a war of aggression and acts of genocide against your friends has never been a valid casus belli.

Japan at the time was an aggressive power run by a succession of unstable military governments. The only peace possible with it was through superior force, as the Soviets showed when Zhukov sent it packing at Khalkin Gol and as the US later learned when they had to defeat it in detail. Strategic bombing, conventional or nuclear, may not be nice but it was far nicer than an invasion of the Japanese home Islands would have been

The same applies to Dresden. It was a necessary evil forced on the world by the genocidal aggression of Nazi Germany.
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