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20-08-2019, 13:52   #16
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It's mad that we've become a pretty liberal, pc society and have looked after minorities but for some reason, blatant racism against travellers is completely socially acceptable amongst all levels of society.

Now, we can all find examples of traveller's behaving badly (I've been the victim of crime at the hands of three men who were travellers) but to prejudge someone purely on the ground of being a traveller is just blatant discrimination and racism.
There really is no getting away from that fact.
There are a lot of racists on here.
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God, I didn't even think about it not being a common term. Hopefully that's clearer. Thanks Paddy
Maybe it is common and I'm just thick
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It's mad that we've become a pretty liberal, pc society and have looked after minorities but for some reason, blatant racism against travellers is completely socially acceptable amongst all levels of society.

Now, we can all find examples of traveller's behaving badly (I've been the victim of crime at the hands of three men who were travellers) but to prejudge someone purely on the ground of being a traveller is just blatant discrimination and racism.
There really is no getting away from that fact.
There are a lot of racists on here.
Whatever you think about Travellers, at least get one thing straight WE ARE THE SAME RACE. That is a fact.
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I think most travellers are grand
Upstanding members of society who contribute their fair share of tax, and never demand anything for nothing.
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20-08-2019, 13:56   #20
 
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I don't think there should be any obligation for signs and services to include the Irish language. I say that as a gaeilgeoir. Nobody needs it. Probably <5 people in the world are monoglot Irish speakers. (Monoglot = only speaks the one language)

French or Polish would be much more useful.

Edit to add: just googled it. There are actually 0 Irish monoglots in the world.
I don’t think there is such an obligation except perhaps government signage. I don’t see menus in Irish.
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It's mad that we've become a pretty liberal, pc society and have looked after minorities but for some reason, blatant racism against travellers is completely socially acceptable amongst all levels of society.

Now, we can all find examples of traveller's behaving badly (I've been the victim of crime at the hands of three men who were travellers) but to prejudge someone purely on the ground of being a traveller is just blatant discrimination and racism.
There really is no getting away from that fact.
There are a lot of racists on here.

My opinion is that you & other hand wringers should be forced to live next to them. Just like the D4 tossers in RTE telling us all to accept more "refugees" from the comforts of areas where everyone else is priced out so they are not affected.
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I don’t think there is such an obligation except perhaps government signage. I don’t see menus in Irish.
Every annual report or notification by state or semi state bodies has to be issued in Irish. A waste of resources and an unnecessary expense.
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20-08-2019, 14:01   #23
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Whatever you think about Travellers, at least get one thing straight WE ARE THE SAME RACE. That is a fact.
Yeah, yeah.
What ever way you look at it, it is blatant discrimination on the grounds of being a member of a particular sub set of society.
Call it what ever you want.
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I don’t think there is such an obligation except perhaps government signage. I don’t see menus in Irish.
Yes. I meant the requirement for state and semi state bodies, as per Srameens response. Figured people would've got that caveat from context. Oops!
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It's mad that we've become a pretty liberal, pc society and have looked after minorities but for some reason, blatant racism against travellers is completely socially acceptable amongst all levels of society.

Now, we can all find examples of traveller's behaving badly (I've been the victim of crime at the hands of three men who were travellers) but to prejudge someone purely on the ground of being a traveller is just blatant discrimination and racism.
There really is no getting away from that fact.
There are a lot of racists on here.
There’s a fair amount of hypocrisy on the traveler issue alright. I once googled traveller halting sites and the vast majority were in the poorest parts of Dublin, often along the M50, or outside the poorer towns in Ireland but it makes sense to put halting sites in areas that are privileged; any other action increases the disadvantages of the area and the travellers.

However Ireland’s liberal bourgeoisie have both constructed a society where they can be racist towards travellers and halt any criticism of their racism.
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My opinion is that you & other hand wringers should be forced to live next to them. .
I've never lived next to travellers but I have had Roma folk living next door to me. They were lovely neighbours. Genuinely.

If my neighbours engage in anti social behaviour, I don't want them there. What group they belong to is irrelevant to me.
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Every annual report or notification by state or semi state bodies has to be issued in Irish. A waste of resources and an unnecessary expense.
Well it is an official language, so until that changes...
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Well it is an official language, so until that changes...
Yes I know why it is this way. I'm just sharing my possibly unpopular opinion on it as the thread is encouraging us to do...
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Yes I know why it is this way. I'm just sharing my possibly unpopular opinion on it as the thread is encouraging us to do...
I know and I wasn’t replying to you. You mentioned signs but Srameen mentioned official documents.

Also I don’t think that opinion is all that unpopular, it’s fairly popular online.
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