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N3 - Virginia Bypass [route options published]

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  • #62
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Nidgeweasel wrote: »
    I think it is. Coming off the dual carriageway if you're behind a bus or a HGV on bad days you could be stuck behind them the whole way. Should be much better for such a busy route.

    In fairness, that sentence could apply to a majority of the non-motorway/DC national primary network.

    The list of roads in Ireland needing upgrading is staggeringly long.


  • #63
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    roadmaster wrote: »
    I think that could be solved easily enough with side roads. They will have the same issue with Mullingar to Longford.

    Won’t the M4 extension be completely new build? In the year dot when it happens of course


  • #64
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    marno21 wrote: »
    In fairness, that sentence could apply to a majority of the non-motorway/DC national primary network.

    The list of roads in Ireland needing upgrading is staggeringly long.

    Apart from Virginia there’s no major bottle neck on the N3- focus needs to be on roads and projects to alleviate all remaining towns that aren’t bypassed on national routes.


  • #65
    mugsymugsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭mugsymugsy


    road_high wrote: »
    Apart from Virginia there’s no major bottle neck on the N3- focus needs to be on roads and projects to alleviate all remaining towns that aren’t bypassed on national routes.

    I wonder at some point if they plan to create a small loop to avoid the N3 part that goes past hotel kilmore and link up out towards butlers bridge for traffic heading to Enniskillen


  • #66
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    mugsymugsy wrote: »
    I wonder at some point if they plan to create a small loop to avoid the N3 part that goes past hotel kilmore and link up out towards butlers bridge for traffic heading to Enniskillen

    I’d imagine the whole current road would be bypassed - so yes that’ll probably be the plan with a tie in with the N3 north of Cavan towards Belturbet


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  • #67
    disposableFish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭disposableFish


    road_high wrote: »
    I’d imagine the whole current road would be bypassed - so yes that’ll probably be the plan with a tie in with the N3 north of Cavan towards Belturbet
    Might make more sense to go a southernly route and tie in with the N55 - which is a pretty new section and could easily be upgraded to 2+2 if desired. The n3 also takes a bit of a dog-leg in the 10-ish km before Cavan so going that way could cut down on the length of road needed.
    road_high wrote: »
    North of Cavan the road is actually better but more recently opened of course.
    Yep, certainly enough capacity. Has the odd dodgy junction.

    In general I don't see much other than the Virginia bypass happening in the near future. It doesn't have huge* volumes of traffic and would be an expensive built - hilly terrain and a hell of a lot of one-off housing (even by Irish standards).


    *I mean, compared to how over-capacity so many of our roads are.


  • #68
    annfield1978
    Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭annfield1978


    What sort of length would this scheme be?


  • #69
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    annfield1978 wrote: »
    What sort of length would this scheme be?
    If they go ahead with a simple 2+2 from the end of the M3 Clonee-Kells scheme then you are looking at roughly 13-17km of road.

    The old massive 46km Kells-Cavan Town scheme looks to have been scrapped in favour of a shorter scheme.

    This is going on the above article with the "€130m" pricetag.


  • #70
    Standard Toaster
    Registered Users Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Any indication if it'll be north or south of Lough Ramor?


  • #71
    Gilroy
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭Gilroy


    When will people know what's happening or see a draft route drawn up?


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  • #72
    Nidgeweasel
    Registered Users Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Nidgeweasel


    Any pre-christmas update on this one?


  • #73
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Nidgeweasel wrote: »
    Any pre-christmas update on this one?
    No, but it is way too early for one.

    With respect to current timelines, and without being too specific for fear of being wrong, we should see route options being published in the latter half of 2020. Hopefully an inoffensive 2+2 scheme roughly 15km long between the N3 dual carriageway and somewhere around Lisgrey as was proposed before.

    If they decide to go west of Lough Ramor they might squeeze a few more km out of it. A 15-20km scheme would get through planning reasonably quickly and would hopefully proceed to construction within 6-7 years.


  • #74
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,647 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    marno21 wrote: »
    No, but it is way too early for one.

    With respect to current timelines, and without being too specific for fear of being wrong, we should see route options being published in the latter half of 2020. Hopefully an inoffensive 2+2 scheme roughly 15km long between the N3 dual carriageway and somewhere around Lisgrey as was proposed before.

    If they decide to go west of Lough Ramor they might squeeze a few more km out of it. A 15-20km scheme would get through planning reasonably quickly and would hopefully proceed to construction within 6-7 years.

    Let's just let that sink in for a minute...

    About a decade to deliver 15-20km of road, and that's assuming they take the most straightforward option, and allowing for "speedy" planning approval.

    A decade...

    No wonder we're always playing catch-up in this country! :(


  • #75
    marno21
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Let's just let that sink in for a minute...

    About a decade to deliver 15-20km of road, and that's assuming they take the most straightforward option, and allowing for "speedy" planning approval.

    A decade...

    No wonder we're always playing catch-up in this country! :(
    And that's me being optimistic ;)

    A good few of projects that entered planning around 2014 took ~5 years to get from where the Virginia Bypass is now to An Bord Pleanala.

    The tranche of projects activated in 2018 hopes to do this in 3.5 years. Hopefully they can overcome the levels of bureaucracy that have been causing delays up until now.


  • #76
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Tender out for traffic data collection

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/159901/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE


  • #77
    Shaunoc
    Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Shaunoc


    marno21 wrote: »
    Tender out for traffic data collection

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/159901/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

    is there any route details in the etender documents?
    nvrmind, read it wrong. traffic data! ta


  • #78
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Shaunoc wrote: »
    is there any route details in the etender documents?
    nvrmind, read it wrong. traffic data! ta
    Only available after expression of interest unfortunately.


  • #79
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    marno21 wrote: »
    Tender out for traffic data collection

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/159901/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

    God I find these things such an irritating waste of money- fluff around the edges. The dogs on the street could tell you Virginia needs a bypass- I know it’s all part of the process but still annoying. Just slows down the process even more


  • #80
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    road_high wrote: »
    God I find these things such an irritating waste of money- fluff around the edges. The dogs on the street could tell you Virginia needs a bypass- I know it’s all part of the process but still annoying. Just slows down the process even more

    Everybody needs a slice of the pie:pac:


  • #81
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭markpb


    road_high wrote: »
    God I find these things such an irritating waste of money- fluff around the edges. The dogs on the street could tell you Virginia needs a bypass- I know it’s all part of the process but still annoying. Just slows down the process even more

    It’s not about whether Virginia needs a bypass, it’s about where in the pecking order Virginia lies. There are plenty of towns in Ireland that could do with a bypass.


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  • #82
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    markpb wrote: »
    It’s not about whether Virginia needs a bypass, it’s about where in the pecking order Virginia lies. There are plenty of towns in Ireland that could do with a bypass.

    It's fairly high up the pecking order and is essential.


  • #83
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I just hope that whitegate is included in the bypass as I was traveling to ballyshannon last week and yet another bad crash, Seam to be two trucks and a van. TII and there designers have a lot to answer for not incorporating that crossroads in to the end of the N3 2 +2 ten years ago


  • #84
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    People of Virginia you pray that the greens get now where near power as Mr Ryan was on Morning Ireland today an in as many words said he would scrap the bypass but don't worry he will provide a publc transport solution!


  • #85
    marno21
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    roadmaster wrote: »
    People of Virginia you pray that the greens get now where near power as Mr Ryan was on Morning Ireland today an in as many words said he would scrap the bypass but don't worry he will provide a publc transport solution!
    Glanbia will be delighted to divest their fleet of trucks and start bringing milk to to the plant by bicycle and bus.


  • #86
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    roadmaster wrote: »
    People of Virginia you pray that the greens get now where near power as Mr Ryan was on Morning Ireland today an in as many words said he would scrap the bypass but don't worry he will provide a publc transport solution!

    Did he single out Virginia (why?) or was it the whole hog? I truly beleive thye would be a horror show if they are in again- Roads, transport, agriculture and carbon taxes will be in the firing line.


  • #87
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    road_high wrote: »
    Did he single out Virginia (why?) or was it the whole hog? I truly beleive thye would be a horror show if they are in again- Roads, transport, agriculture and carbon taxes will be in the firing line.

    Leo was in Monaghan on a photo shoot and name dropped the Virginia bypass as one of FG’s investment priorities yesterday, so it was regarded as “topical”.

    Not sure how €160m could be better spent on transport in Virginia tbh.


  • #88
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,383 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    marno21 wrote: »
    Leo was in Monaghan on a photo shoot and name dropped the Virginia bypass as one of FG’s investment priorities yesterday, so it was regarded as “topical”.

    Not sure how €160m could be better spent on transport in Virginia tbh.

    It wouldn't be. Money would be spent/wasted some place else. Bypasses are also a huge boon towards public transport as they speed up buses enormously. One of the side effects of the new motorways is a proliferation of more direct bus services in fact opening up that mode of public transport to people like me that didn't use buses much before- to go to Dublin especially.


  • #89
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    marno21 wrote: »
    Glanbia will be delighted to divest their fleet of trucks and start bringing milk to to the plant by bicycle and bus.

    I know Glanbia is not as big a plant as the southern ones but the amount of trucks that service it is mental especially Dale Farm trucks from cross border


  • #90
    Standard Toaster
    Registered Users Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    roadmaster wrote: »
    I just hope that whitegate is included in the bypass as I was traveling to ballyshannon last week and yet another bad crash, Seam to be two trucks and a van. TII and there designers have a lot to answer for not incorporating that crossroads in to the end of the N3 2 +2 ten years ago

    https://www.thejournal.ie/witness-appeal-fatal-crash-meath-4968982-Jan2020/


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  • #91
    marno21
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    Barry are hiring a land liason officer for the scheme

    http://www.barrytransportation.ie/job_N3_land_liaison_officer.html

    Job description confirms the scheme will be ~16km in length between the end of the M3/N3 Clonee-Kells scheme at Derver and the northern end of Lisgrey.


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