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GE2020: Kildare North

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    #92
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Why do people keep voting for Catherine Murphy, like does she do a representative amount of good for us or is it just that shes a nice person and doesn't do anything bad.


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    #93
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Leader has its brief 'interviews' with the candidates up now. The Renua candidate is more than a little aggressive and also shows that he doesn't have a clue about the constituency (answer to last question)

    Only him and the PBP candidate answered the question with an actual answer and only the PBP candidate got it right!


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    #94
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Why do people keep voting for Catherine Murphy, like does she do a representative amount of good for us or is it just that shes a nice person and doesn't do anything bad.

    She preserved the Dail right to open discussion.
    She exposed the bizarre FG relationship with siteserv.


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    #95
    Mancomb Seepgood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Mancomb Seepgood


    L1011 wrote: »
    The Leader has its brief 'interviews' with the candidates up now. The Renua candidate is more than a little aggressive and also shows that he doesn't have a clue about the constituency (answer to last question)

    Only him and the PBP candidate answered the question with an actual answer and only the PBP candidate got it right!

    I'm surprised that he didn't mention Renua's greatest policy innovation - bringing back the green Irish passport. Lucinda Creighton has a lot to answer for.


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    #96
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    She preserved the Dail right to open discussion.
    She exposed the bizarre FG relationship with siteserv.

    Looking at her question record on kildarestreet , theres little to do with kildare north in there. The siteserv thing was a non event, shes just in on the dennis o brien big bad bogeyman conspiracy set.

    From waht I can seem to find she's done a fair bit in the past as an independent but since her switch to social democrats has done little bar tow the party line on their left agenda.


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    #97
    SeeMoreBut
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Looking at her question record on kildarestreet , theres little to do with kildare north in there. The siteserv thing was a non event, shes just in on the dennis o brien big bad bogeyman conspiracy set.

    From waht I can seem to find she's done a fair bit in the past as an independent but since her switch to social democrats has done little bar tow the party line on their left agenda.

    I was wondering the same. She’s been very quiet lately. I get the feeling she’d be gone if she could get a councillor elected but I guess that’ll be next election.

    She’ll still romp home. I think lawless will get in. Fg will get in also. Then I think it’s a few in the hunt for last spot.


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    #98
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    SeeMoreBut wrote: »
    I was wondering the same. She’s been very quiet lately. I get the feeling she’d be gone if she could get a councillor elected but I guess that’ll be next election.

    She’ll still romp home. I think lawless will get in. Fg will get in also. Then I think it’s a few in the hunt for last spot.

    Id agree with that prediction , It kind of seems like shes just resting on laurels and taking it easy till retirement. It certainly doesnt help her endorsing candidates like Nuala Killeen who were one trick ponies resting on the 8th amendment result.


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    #99
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Looking at her question record on kildarestreet , theres little to do with kildare north in there. The siteserv thing was a non event, shes just in on the dennis o brien big bad bogeyman conspiracy set.

    From waht I can seem to find she's done a fair bit in the past as an independent but since her switch to social democrats has done little bar tow the party line on their left agenda.


    Denis OBriens fortune is derived from a set of bizarre deals that have resulted in FG debt being paid off and Michael Lowry becoming the richest TD in the dail.

    The siteserv thing wasn't a non event and even NEET autodidact should be able to see that obrien belongs nowhere near any government contract .


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    #100
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Denis OBriens fortune is derived from a set of bizarre deals that have resulted in FG debt being paid off and Michael Lowry becoming the richest TD in the dail.

    The siteserv thing wasn't a non event and even NEET autodidact should be able to see that obrien belongs nowhere near any government contract .

    this is tinfoil hat stuff, complete madness and has little to do with how much murphy is doing for her constituents.


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    #101
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    this is tinfoil hat stuff, complete madness and has little to do with how much murphy is doing for her constituents.

    Obriens connections with FG are hardly tinfoil hat stuff.


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    #102
    pad199207
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    Murphy probably will get in again,
    Lawless, I’d put money that he gets in again too. He’s very well known with commuters.
    A FG candidate will get a seat
    I don’t think the SF candidate is strong enough to benefit from this so called surge in SF support.


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    #103
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Looking at her question record on kildarestreet , theres little to do with kildare north in there. The siteserv thing was a non event, shes just in on the dennis o brien big bad bogeyman conspiracy set.

    She's a national TD not a county councillor. That's her job.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    but since her switch to social democrats has done little bar tow the party line on their left agenda.

    Who exactly do you thinks sets the party line?


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    #104
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    SeeMoreBut wrote: »
    I get the feeling she’d be gone if she could get a councillor elected but I guess that’ll be next election.

    :confused:

    You mean like Nuala Killeen, Chris Pender, Aidan Farrelly and Bill Clear? 3 of them are North Kildare.


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    #105
    SeeMoreBut
    Registered Users Posts: 797 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    Orion wrote: »
    :confused:

    You mean like Nuala Killeen, Chris Pender, Aidan Farrelly and Bill Clear? 3 of them are North Kildare.

    Just cause they’re councillors doesn’t mean they’ll get elected as Td’s. She’s probably going to work on getting one on the ticket next time around as might be to early this time and lose a seat.

    That’s just my opinion


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    #106
    Orion
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    SeeMoreBut wrote: »
    Just cause they’re councillors doesn’t mean they’ll get elected as Td’s. She’s probably going to work on getting one on the ticket next time around as might be to early this time and lose a seat.

    That’s just my opinion

    Ah you meant elected as TD. No. Catherine has no plans to retire right now.


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    #107
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Doesn't he live in Ballygoran View (an estate in Celbridge) rather than Ballygoran (the townland)?

    Apparently he now lives in Raphael's Manor. Has done for a few months.


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    #108
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And he's using his constituency office address for his nomination. Not want people to know he's moved?


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    #109
    Orion
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    My understanding is that he drives into Dublin and claims the considerable TD mileage allowance whereas his party and constituency colleague (Lawless) gets the train and only claims the Leap card costs.

    Appears Lawless is also Band 1 (>25Km and <60Km) and claims it. 25K a year. So this thing about claiming the Leap card only is wrong.

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/members/parliamentaryAllowances/psa/2020/2020-01-01_parliamentary-standard-allowance-payments-to-deputies-for-november-2019_en.pdf

    Here's the bands. https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/salaries-and-allowances/parliamentary-standard-allowances/


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    #110
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Thanks Orion - I was misinformed.

    I wonder if he's engaged in a programme of retroactively adjusting the truth.


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    #111
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    L1011 wrote: »
    The Leader has its brief 'interviews' with the candidates up now. The Renua candidate is more than a little aggressive and also shows that he doesn't have a clue about the constituency (answer to last question)

    Only him and the PBP candidate answered the question with an actual answer and only the PBP candidate got it right!

    not that there was any chance of me voting for Renua, but that just cements my view of them as having no clue about anything.

    Amused by his "Introduce a points based immigration system, like Australia. Ireland is full. We don't need any more skilled or unskilled workers.". Why on earth would we introduce a costly system if we're not going to admit anyone and don't need anyone? And that's before getting to the realities of needing many types of skilled and unskilled workers, given that we're back to full employment....


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    #112
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Is there less canvassing this year than even May?

    Had Labour and FG (Durkan) only so far. Now, I'm not always in obviously and I don't have a postbox (only an An Post lockbox) so won't get canvassing cards from others. But still had the addition of FF and an Independent in May as far as I remember.


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    #113
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ghostdancer wrote: »
    We don't need any more skilled or unskilled workers.".
    Would you stop with this bigoted nonsense - there are skills shortages in many areas!


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    #114
    L1011
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Would you stop with this bigoted nonsense - there are skills shortages in many areas!

    They're quoting the Renua candidate, and then disagreed with the statement - just to clarify that.


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    #115
    BaronVon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭BaronVon


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Looking at her question record on kildarestreet , theres little to do with kildare north in there. The siteserv thing was a non event, shes just in on the dennis o brien big bad bogeyman conspiracy set.

    From waht I can seem to find she's done a fair bit in the past as an independent but since her switch to social democrats has done little bar tow the party line on their left agenda.

    But we're electing people to a national parliament, not to the county council. While Irish politics is too parochial, every constituency should be voting in the likes of Catherine Murphy, who do work in the national interest, in the national parliament.

    If I need the street light fixed, I'll give my county councillor a shout, not my TD!


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    #116
    Rosahane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    BaronVon wrote: »
    But we're electing people to a national parliament, not to the county council. While Irish politics is too parochial, every constituency should be voting in the likes of Catherine Murphy, who do work in the national interest, in the national parliament.

    If I need the street light fixed, I'll give my county councillor a shout, not my TD!

    Was canvassed a few nights ago by Murphy’s people. I asked would she be prepared to go into a coalition government if elected, the chap replied authoritatively “only with FF” I asked why and he said that FG’s record in government over the last eight years was “too bad”. When I pointed out that FF had actually wrecked the economy in the first place he appeared as if this was news to him. It probably was, as I’d say he was in his mid twenties.


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    #117
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    L1011 wrote: »
    Is there less canvassing this year than even May?

    Had Labour and FG (Durkan) only so far. Now, I'm not always in obviously and I don't have a postbox (only an An Post lockbox) so won't get canvassing cards from others. But still had the addition of FF and an Independent in May as far as I remember.

    Living in Leixlip and I've yet to have anybody call. Not that I'm complaining mind you


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    #118
    Orion
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    Rosahane wrote: »
    Was canvassed a few nights ago by Murphy’s people. I asked would she be prepared to go into a coalition government if elected, the chap replied authoritatively “only with FF” I asked why and he said that FG’s record in government over the last eight years was “too bad”. When I pointed out that FF had actually wrecked the economy in the first place he appeared as if this was news to him. It probably was, as I’d say he was in his mid twenties.

    I'm canvassing with Catherine and I can tell you that is not the message. SD will go into coalition but will not go in under any circumstances. IF SD are to help form a govt it must be a socially progressive govt and have a progressive programme for Govt. Whether that's with FF, FG or an amalgamation.


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    #119
    buffalo
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    Living in Leixlip and I've yet to have anybody call. Not that I'm complaining mind you

    I'm in Leixlip and I had a chat with some Green canvassers yesterday. I'm not sure if they were on a flyer drop rather than calling door to door, but I was working in the front garden so we ended up talking for a few minutes.

    I saw Catherine Murphy out canvassing in Glendale weekend before last too.

    I have a rake of questions written beside the front door for any callers, haven't had a chance to use them yet though.


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    #120
    ShyMets
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    buffalo wrote: »
    I'm in Leixlip and I had a chat with some Green canvassers yesterday. I'm not sure if they were on a flyer drop rather than calling door to door, but I was working in the front garden so we ended up talking for a few minutes.

    I saw Catherine Murphy out canvassing in Glendale weekend before last too.

    I have a rake of questions written beside the front door for any callers, haven't had a chance to use them yet though.

    Actually I lie. Had a sorry we missed you leaflet from Frank O'Rourke. Not that I was shedding any tears having missed the opportunity to speak with him


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    #121
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    ShyMets wrote: »
    Actually I lie. Had a sorry we missed you leaflet from Frank O'Rourke. Not that I was shedding any tears having missed the opportunity to speak with him

    Can you imagine asking O'Rourke any questions about national policy?

    What sort of an answer could be give you?


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