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13-05-2018, 17:16   #586
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Hi Sorry to hear that you are still in trouble, I really hoped that you had it sorted.
You will get loads of help with practical farming matters here but we need more information if you don't mind.


How many acres do you have, what numbers and ages of animals did you over winter and what other housing have you available?

Are you working full-time or part-time?

Have the department given you a notice in writing or this all being done verbally?

Above all , you have to look after yourself. We have all come through a very,very tough winter, most farmers struggled at times, but the weather is finally turning, even the worst of the fields are greening, we just might be out the otherside.
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After work today i was selling a few animals so i rang the mother to send down the brother. She said that they hadn't been to mass yet, they always go to the early mass so I said that she knew I had a man coming for animals today. Her reply was "can't that man load them with you, or get one of your friends to help you!".

I just don't bloody know anymore!
Mothers are great at sticking their oar in maybe ask your brother directly not via your Mam the next time.

I would suggest contacting one of the farm organizations to see if they have someone that you could talk to
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I can understand not wanting anyone knowing your business . Certainly don't be afraid to bounce ideas around here if it helps .
If you are not memeber of teagasc and based in cork/kerry ring owen o Driscoll ag advisor in skibbereen. He is independent and current president of ag advisors nationally so if not local he will point you in direction of someone who can work with you through your present situation. For god sake man, do it first thing in morning cant be easy having that hanging over your shoulders.

Gr8 M8 that msg is for you btw.

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13-05-2018, 22:01   #589
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Can the Dept force a farmer/part time farmer to destock fully. I always got the impression from reading media articles that a Judge (through the Courts) could only make that decision. I understand on animal health and welfare grounds the Dept can make arrangements to reduce numbers but I didn't think it included full destocking.
Edit re destocking: excluding illegal movements, hormone use etc.
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Can the Dept force a farmer/part time farmer to destock fully. I always got the impression from reading media articles that a Judge (through the Courts) could only make that decision. I understand on animal health and welfare grounds the Dept can make arrangements to reduce numbers but I didn't think it included full destocking.
Edit re destocking: excluding illegal movements, hormone use etc.
It was done here locally in the last twelve mths, Guards, lorries and Department arrived early one morning....more than likely there was a court order involved..
There's another farm here where the department is involved and really he should be gone years ago...really not fair on the animals.
Dept. really gives people every chance
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Hello and good morning.

I agree with you to an extent, they are not Nazis of anything like that and do give chances. But at the end of the day they are not farmers either.

One of my major issues with the farm and as a result, with the department is that i don't have adequate housing for all my animals. The sheds that I have are old and seen better days and very spread out around the place.

A few years ago I got planning permission for extending one of my sheds. I told the lad's from the department that one of my major problems on the farm is the amount of time i spend traveling around the different yards.

They said to just put some slats down in one shed, put a silage slab at another etc. but I would be a fool to put up another shed. My reasoning was that I want all my animals in one place for ease of management. They got around me and I didn't build a shed, they told me to get a Job to bring in some money so I did.

Now they are back saying that the animals should be in a shed and I am not around for their visits without a week's notice (because I am working)!

How do you win?

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It was done here locally in the last twelve mths, Guards, lorries and Department arrived early one morning....more than likely there was a court order involved..
There's another farm here where the department is involved and really he should be gone years ago...really not fair on the animals.
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Hello,

I have read this message several times and I have thought that it might even echo my own experience!

But in saying that, it also echoes other people's involvement! I hear all these things from the department, I hear whispers and all that carry on. When I am working I see neighbors looking over walls and ditches, I spot cars slowing down, if I go to the Mart I see the farmer next door sitting there when my animals enter the ring.

I know that people have their own things going on and are busy. But of all the people I see, I have only ever been visited by one person to ask me what the hell I was thinking? Carrying on the way I have been.

We talked for a while, I was obviously in a hurry to get things done so we left it there! I looked at an animal that night and for some reason I managed to convince myself that animal would not make it through the night! It completely broke my spirit!

In the small hours of that night I decided to do something very foolish by other people's standards, but I had enough of it all and it just seemed like the right thing to do.

Obviously I am here tonight to talk about it. A few days went past and that man gives me a call asking how I am doing and just says to me that I frightened him that night. He tells me how he has never seen someone look so tired and struggle so hard to put together a sentence and then leave, not to go to bed but to go do work.

My point is that while people say that someone should not be farming, they say that such a person is a bad farmer, that the department give you every chance. How many people actually say that to the farmer in person? Not say it to put them down but to help them realise that they are in a rut and people can see it!

It is very easy to judge a person for doing a bad job, it's easy to talk about that person and think they are silly or lazy or incompetent. But the strength in that person could be fantastic, they might not know how to quite. Willing to perish on this rock before submitting?

Soldiers did this and do it today.
Athletes do this.
Business people do this.
Parents do this.

They keep going despite the odds, it's an everyday accurace and we constantly hear about the success stories! But maybe these people who should have been gone years ago are the people who just couldn't get it over the line?

Or maybe they are like me? Just another bad farmer!

Thank you.
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Hello,

I have read this message several times and I have thought that it might even echo my own experience!

But in saying that, it also echoes other people's involvement! I hear all these things from the department, I hear whispers and all that carry on. When I am working I see neighbors looking over walls and ditches, I spot cars slowing down, if I go to the Mart I see the farmer next door sitting there when my animals enter the ring.

I know that people have their own things going on and are busy. But of all the people I see, I have only ever been visited by one person to ask me what the hell I was thinking? Carrying on the way I have been.

We talked for a while, I was obviously in a hurry to get things done so we left it there! I looked at an animal that night and for some reason I managed to convince myself that animal would not make it through the night! It completely broke my spirit!

In the small hours of that night I decided to do something very foolish by other people's standards, but I had enough of it all and it just seemed like the right thing to do.

Obviously I am here tonight to talk about it. A few days went past and that man gives me a call asking how I am doing and just says to me that I frightened him that night. He tells me how he has never seen someone look so tired and struggle so hard to put together a sentence and then leave, not to go to bed but to go do work.

My point is that while people say that someone should not be farming, they say that such a person is a bad farmer, that the department give you every chance. How many people actually say that to the farmer in person? Not say it to put them down but to help them realise that they are in a rut and people can see it!

It is very easy to judge a person for doing a bad job, it's easy to talk about that person and think they are silly or lazy or incompetent. But the strength in that person could be fantastic, they might not know how to quite. Willing to perish on this rock before submitting?

Soldiers did this and do it today.
Athletes do this.
Business people do this.
Parents do this.

They keep going despite the odds, it's an everyday accurace and we constantly hear about the success stories! But maybe these people who should have been gone years ago are the people who just couldn't get it over the line?

Or maybe they are like me? Just another bad farmer!

Thank you.
I probably didn't tell it right,
The second case in my post is a good farmer that has just got too old and doesn't want to give up, he's physically not able to go on.
It must be very frustrating for him......and the Department
Old age is not a problem, but you have to be prepared to employ help to continue farming.

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Hello,

I have read this message several times and I have thought that it might even echo my own experience!

But in saying that, it also echoes other people's involvement! I hear all these things from the department, I hear whispers and all that carry on. When I am working I see neighbors looking over walls and ditches, I spot cars slowing down, if I go to the Mart I see the farmer next door sitting there when my animals enter the ring.

I know that people have their own things going on and are busy. But of all the people I see, I have only ever been visited by one person to ask me what the hell I was thinking? Carrying on the way I have been.

We talked for a while, I was obviously in a hurry to get things done so we left it there! I looked at an animal that night and for some reason I managed to convince myself that animal would not make it through the night! It completely broke my spirit!

In the small hours of that night I decided to do something very foolish by other people's standards, but I had enough of it all and it just seemed like the right thing to do.

Obviously I am here tonight to talk about it. A few days went past and that man gives me a call asking how I am doing and just says to me that I frightened him that night. He tells me how he has never seen someone look so tired and struggle so hard to put together a sentence and then leave, not to go to bed but to go do work.

My point is that while people say that someone should not be farming, they say that such a person is a bad farmer, that the department give you every chance. How many people actually say that to the farmer in person? Not say it to put them down but to help them realise that they are in a rut and people can see it!

It is very easy to judge a person for doing a bad job, it's easy to talk about that person and think they are silly or lazy or incompetent. But the strength in that person could be fantastic, they might not know how to quite. Willing to perish on this rock before submitting?

Soldiers did this and do it today.
Athletes do this.
Business people do this.
Parents do this.

They keep going despite the odds, it's an everyday accurace and we constantly hear about the success stories! But maybe these people who should have been gone years ago are the people who just couldn't get it over the line?

Or maybe they are like me? Just another bad farmer!

Thank you.
How many people actually say that to the farmer in person??

None if any. That's what's wrong with our society we like to point and judge and talk about people that are in a worse/different situation than ourselves. Rather than call to help and give support it is a lot easier to sit back and judge. The later is seen as the coolest option. THAT'S OUR SOCIETY!
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A little help is better than a terrible lot of pity.
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Just signed a book of condolences for a colleague of ours. It's difficult to even put in words what a terribly sad thing it is for someone to take their own life.
On the outside it looked as if this girl had no worries and would have been the envy of many.
Depression is cruel disease. I don't know what can be done to help people who are suffering but I suppose all we can do is watch out for those around us and, as Muckit said above, reach out with a helping hand and maybe an open ear. And don't forget yourself either!
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This chap is fairly controversial but raises some brilliant points. https://youtu.be/qmKtyeQ9Ikk
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This chap is fairly controversial but raises some brilliant points. https://youtu.be/qmKtyeQ9Ikk
His other videos are well worth watching too.
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Just signed a book of condolences for a colleague of ours. It's difficult to even put in words what a terribly sad thing it is for someone to take their own life.
On the outside it looked as if this girl had no worries and would have been the envy of many.
Depression is cruel disease. I don't know what can be done to help people who are suffering but I suppose all we can do is watch out for those around us and, as Muckit said above, reach out with a helping hand and maybe an open ear. And don't forget yourself either!

It is a cruel disease that no body understands its silent eats away at people take care out there it is one tough year people are getting scared talk you might think people are not listening .
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Absolutely. I have no time for people who say "I cannot help you but you can talk to me any time". I don't have time to talk to people like that - do they want me to entertain them with my problems so they can feel better about themselves?
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