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20-09-2019, 22:39   #61
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 Has anyone been keeping up with the court proceedings? Any legal experts saying anything on what side the supreme court with go in favour of?

Personally id be amazed if it goes agains the Government, I suspect the Judges wont want to get involved in politics and just do what the court in London did
Various legal experts are of the opinion the Government will loose, however as Lady Hale (the President of the Supreme Court) stated today, don't make assumptions.
Just to come back to this, as I have previously stated it really could go in either sides favour, though many in the profession seem to believe the Government will loose:-

https://twitter.com/DinahRoseQC/stat...412786176?s=19

https://twitter.com/WomaninHavana/st...177973761?s=19 


David Allen Green, however notes what a Barrister friend has told him who has studied the judges record on previous cases, not a true indicator of any result but interesting reasoning none the less:-

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/...66501804617728

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/...67450354847744

http:// https://twitter.com/davidall...87872307712000


Also a decent article by David Allen Green in today's Financial Times about the difficulties of the case:-

https://www.ft.com/content/096bb96c-...b-77216ebe1f17

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The court may or may not be able to plug the gaps in this unprecedented case with its extraordinary facts. But whichever way the judges decide, there will remain a wider worrying gap between a determined executive and ready access to checks and balances. On any view, a complicated Supreme Court case, the outcome of which nobody can predict, should not be all that stands in the way of arbitrary government.
And to finish off, for me the Tweet of the week in relation to the Supreme Court case:-

https://twitter.com/thewritertype/st...291765248?s=19

Best synopsis.

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The Telegraph has the termerity to ask if the EU is serious about a backstop solution!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...kstop-problem/

And again they put the point about the UK not putting in any border infrastructure. I don't have the heart to tackle that lie any more.
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The Telegraph has the termerity to ask if the EU is serious about a backstop solution!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...kstop-problem/

And again they put the point about the UK not putting in any border infrastructure. I don't have the heart to tackle that lie any more.
Their opinion pieces sound as if they were written by Farage or Mark Francois
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In brexit Britain there is only room for the true believers everyone else is a counter revolutionary. If you aren't a true believer you can join the party for lost boys the Lib Dems
I really don't like Watson but this is tribal bollocks and as bad as Johnson trying to sack of Tory remainers. Watson is merely representing a viewpoint which many Labour supporters echo which is very much remain.

Labour should ignore this bollocks, put up a united front and focus on defeating Brexit and winning the next electiom.
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Just a reminder the UK hasn't even started the trade deal with the EU.

The WA only gives time to prepare for the real deal.

Meanwhile in the real world 20 years might not be time enough.
Austria blocks EU-Mercosur trade deal with South America
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The draft free trade agreement took 20 years to complete and the EU has described it as its biggest so far.

France and Ireland have already warned they will reject the deal if Brazil does not do more to curb fires in the Amazon rainforest
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Labour showing they can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory as much as the next.

Jo Swinson happiest with this but it doesn't bode well for removing the Tories.
Actually, IMO, if Labour self destruct before the election it means more remain voters will unite behind the last remaining remain party.

But they are some shower all the same
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I'd be pretty far from a FG voter, and really don't see myself changing any time soon. However, Coveney will make an excellent Taoiseach when his day comes.
I've never voted FG but have to admit that Coveney is playing a blinder. He's clear and concise and comes across so reasonable that he's always ahead of his interviewer. He will definitely be Taoiseach one day.

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I've never voted FG but have to admit that Coveney is playing a blinder. He's clear and concise and comes across so reasonable that he's always ahead of his interviewer. He will definitely be Taoiseach one day.
Leo compared exceptionally well with Bojo in the joint press conference the other week, one looked like a stateman, the other a clueless moron....
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I've never voted FG but have to admit that Coveney is playing a blinder. He's clear and concise and comes across so reasonable that he's always ahead of his interviewer. He will definitely be Taoiseach one day.
I listened to his BBC radio 4 interview yesterday. It was really something. So clear, precise and passionate in what he was saying.

He went down really well in the UK as well judging by reaction.

Far and away the most capable person in the Dáil in my opinion. Let's be honest - he is the one driving the Brexit agenda for us.

Really impressed. Rare in an Irish politician.

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/s...46187939418114
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I've never voted FG but have to admit that Coveney is playing a blinder. He's clear and concise and comes across so reasonable that he's always ahead of his interviewer. He will definitely be Taoiseach one day.
I listened to his BBC radio 4 interview yesterday. It was really something. So clear, precise and passionate in what he was saying.

He went down really well in the UK as well judging by reaction.

Far and away the most capable person in the Dáil in my opinion. Let's be honest - he is the one driving the Brexit agenda for us.

Really impressed. Rare in an Irish politician.

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/s...46187939418114
Indeed. Whilst I'm sure he finds the interviews trying, it's important he counters the spin in the UK and calmly sets out the reality. Himself and McEntee have been solid. Former ambassador Bobby McDonagh has also impressed me, well worth following on Twitter.
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I can just picture the sham performance he gives about how he is incandescent with rage at being forced to do this, bloomin' furious, apoplectic, how he can't wait for an election to put the surrender merchants to the sword etc.

Agreed - there will be no new deal from the EU, so Johnson has to either bring May's deal (or the original NI only backstop version) to a vote or advocate No Deal.


There is no way the deal will pass, and he'll be forced to ask for an extension either way to be followed by an election.


Proposing May's deal (and losing) makes him look like a loser (again) and also fires up the Brexit Party. Proposing No Deal keeps the hardliners on board and makes the election into a sort of referendum - No Deal vs Remain.


An obvious problem is what to do if he wins the election, but he isn't thinking that far ahead.
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Here is Tony Connelly on the timeline of what happened last week,

Brexit: The perils of progress on the backstop

Very much a case of a lot happened but on reflection nothing moved. I am not sure where I saw it, may have been Ian Dunt, but the process repeats itself all the time when it comes to a deal. First there are whispers of a possible deal, that increases until everyone shouts that the deal is there to be made before reality hits and everyone calms down and realizes there wasn't much to begin with. Rinse and repeat?

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A careful reading of comments and positions suggests that there has been very little movement and the surge in positivity, which Dublin suspects was encouraged by Downing Street, was perplexing, especially given the late news on Friday.

"What they're putting forward don’t even meet any of the three objectives in the backstop," said one official.

The optimism of Thursday was giving way to pessimism on Friday evening. As so often happens, a British move prompts disproportionate noises of a breakthrough.

This is an interesting tweet on the message sold to the UK voters on what Brexit would be and now that reality is different they are getting mad at the people who told them it would be difficult instead of those who lied to them.

https://twitter.com/curu/status/1175...397679106?s=20
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I missed a fair bit. What was the surge in positivity?
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I missed a fair bit. What was the surge in positivity?

Repeated stories and leaks that the EU was willing to look at the backstop and there was movement in the negotiations. As Connelly says it came to an abrupt halt yesterday when reality hit again with the Coveney interview and the UK position papers was revealed and we are actually just back at square one.
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It's very clear that the UK are running almost a war propaganda campaign in terms of Brexit.

Even the smallest positives are made out to be major and significant progress when in fact nothing has happened.

And the media or letting them away with it time and time again, with a few notable exceptions.

But it is all aimed at conditioning the UK public to see it a certain way. Nothing to do with reality.
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