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18-09-2019, 13:32   #1546
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It is US money that would eventually be repatriated. Other countries have claimed they are owed money but they'll have a very long rocky road to prove it.
They are taxes deemed owed in the EU. Whether or not money would be subsequently taxed if repatriated to the US is irrelevant, this money will go to Ireland immediately if the judgement goes that way and then other EU countries will claim bits and pieces of it. The US has no claim on EU taxes.
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Equally, other EU countries have no legal right to claim our corporation tax.

The Apple judgment is ridiculous and the appeal will carry.
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18-09-2019, 13:55   #1548
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They are taxes deemed owed in the EU. Whether or not money would be subsequently taxed if repatriated to the US is irrelevant, this money will go to Ireland immediately if the judgement goes that way and then other EU countries will claim bits and pieces of it. The US has no claim on EU taxes.
No, they are taxes owed to Ireland based on how Apple is set up in Europe and nobody else. That's what the judgement said. Other EU countries want a slice of it and think they can get it despite not having any tax laws that will allow them to do so.
Revenue deemed Apple to be tax compliant under its rules so it had no further claims on money Apple owned. Apple being a US corporation can repatriate it and yes it would be taxed in the US.
It'll be the guts of 10 years before it's resolved anyway, longer if Apple can stretch it out.
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No, they are taxes owed to Ireland based on how Apple is set up in Europe and nobody else.
It is taxes the EU deem is owed to Ireland.

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That's what the judgement said.
It is not a judgement, it is the decision of a commissioner, subject to a judicial review.

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Other EU countries want a slice of it and think they can get it despite not having any tax laws that will allow them to do so.
No other member state has laid claim to it, nor could they.

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Revenue deemed Apple to be tax compliant under its rules so it had no further claims on money Apple owned. Apple being a US corporation can repatriate it and yes it would be taxed in the US.
According to the double taxation treaty, this is not the case.

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It'll be the guts of 10 years before it's resolved anyway, longer if Apple can stretch it out.
It is not in Apple's interests to do so as they do not have access to the reserves and it hinders their tax planning to have such a major issue undecided.
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18-09-2019, 14:16   #1550
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It is taxes the EU deem is owed to Ireland.



It is not a judgement, it is the decision of a commissioner, subject to a judicial review.



No other member state has laid claim to it, nor could they.



According to the double taxation treaty, this is not the case.



It is not in Apple's interests to do so as they do not have access to the reserves and it hinders their tax planning to have such a major issue undecided.
Its not a tax case

Its a state aid case
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18-09-2019, 17:58   #1551
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It is taxes the EU deem is owed to Ireland.



It is not a judgement, it is the decision of a commissioner, subject to a judicial review.



No other member state has laid claim to it, nor could they.



According to the double taxation treaty, this is not the case.



It is not in Apple's interests to do so as they do not have access to the reserves and it hinders their tax planning to have such a major issue undecided.
Why in God's name can't you write paragraphs? Apart from being next to impossible to read I'm really not sure what point you're making seeing as I've made most of these points already anyway. What treaties are you on about? Some of the them have been renewed and the Apple setup allowed them to recognise Ireland as a profit base.
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18-09-2019, 18:00   #1552
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Its not a tax case

Its a state aid case
Yeah and the assertion that the favourable agreement (AKA State aid) allowed Apple to pay a much better rate.
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Funnily enough it cites DCC a number of times. A comment on local government with a nod to national issue. Nothing to try shut down, mostly on DCC alright Marko. Got a dig in at SF though, kudos.
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I can solve the housing crisis. Well I know a man who can.
I've been told numerous times that the state/LA's paying for builds to use as social, (to be rented out based on income) or affordable housing (to be sold at profit) wouldn't work because it is so expensive to build there's no money in it.
Well this man here is due to be making profit off public land. We should hire him to government post haste.



Not to mention gaining 'preferred bidder' status despite a shady record

Well done Matt. SF-led city council exposed for giving preferred bidder status to businessman with a shady record.

I am not as outraged as you, as glad to see houses are being built.
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19-09-2019, 20:01   #1554
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Well done Matt. SF-led city council exposed for giving preferred bidder status to businessman with a shady record.

I am not as outraged as you, as glad to see houses are being built.
Ah man, I thought I'd get a rest from you. I've not posted here in a while. You already commented on this. Did you go off and have a think about it and come back for more?

It's not a SF led council Blanch. It's actually a FF heavy one and FG have one more than SF on it. But it doesn't matter Blanch does it, unless you want to score points or something? As I said when I posted, I've been told there's no profit in building homes, (relating to state built social/affordable housing). Was showing this lad will be doing well. I also mentioned he got preferred bidder status despite his record, yes.
It's a DCC story relating to the national housing crisis. Why shut that down with your usual nonsense?
I don't vote SF much. I give the odd nod, (I've likely given more support to Fine Gael over the years). I don't come on here looking to burn you with comments on the Greens, I couldn't be arsed.
If you've no interest in the article I referenced, why comment at all? If you've been following you'll know more houses people can't afford won't help. A Noonan-esque vulture fund might buy them up and the tax payer can pay renting them I suppose.
Look, I'll mention FG as much as I mention the Labour party after the next election, should they lose, unless of course they prop up a FF government. This isn't even a FG or government article but it relates to previous conversations on the housing crisis.

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Well done Matt. SF-led city council exposed for giving preferred bidder status to businessman with a shady record.

I am not as outraged as you, as glad to see houses are being built.
SF were nearly wiped out in Dublin and no longer control DCC. Not sure when he got that status but it could be reverted.
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They've already said its a No Deal Brexit budget, so no giveaways, keep the exchequer filled to deal with the fallout in case No Deal happens.

I dare FF to call for a giveaway, remind everyone who we are dealing with and how they haven't changed since the 70s.
The public would lap it up. Most of us can't see beyond our own pay packets. Invisible taxes like vat, customs/excise, sugar tax are for somebody else to pay. Some of us think that we can just cut back on petrol or alcohol to avoid paying taxes so the general preference is just to hit these.

Once again, FG resort to hitting the easy target, the Paye worker. And as we can now see, Varadkar's talk of a €50k entry point to the top rate of tax is horse ****. They are bereft of any innovative thinking when raising revenue. Voters will always take the populist route.
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SF were nearly wiped out in Dublin and no longer control DCC. Not sure when he got that status but it could be reverted.
The deal was done pre last Local elections.
Therefore the SF dominated DCC have some questions to answer for here.
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20-09-2019, 17:44   #1558
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The deal was done pre last Local elections.
Therefore the SF dominated DCC have some questions to answer for here.

That was obvious to anyone who read up on the issue, but too many didn't.
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The deal was done pre last Local elections.
Therefore the SF dominated DCC have some questions to answer for here.
And that changes the facts of the article how? There is still a developer going to make a fortune when the council sign off. They haven't yet by the way. It's in the article. But I couldn't care less if Bobby Sands himself stamped the approval.

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That was obvious to anyone who read up on the issue, but too many didn't.
Again, what has that got to do with the article and my comments on it relating to housing?

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What did I win?
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20-09-2019, 21:10   #1560
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And that changes the facts of the article how? There is still a developer going to make a fortune when the council sign off. They haven't yet by the way. It's in the article. But I couldn't care less if Bobby Sands himself stamped the approval.
The developer isn't going to be building council housing so I fail to see the relevance.
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