Turas Nua

splinter65 · 14-06-2019 6:43pm

El_Bee wrote: »

I thought Turas Nua/Jobpath were being shut down? I've been summoned to a meeting with them next week.

The government were defeated in a motion in the Dáil. That doesn’t really mean anything. SF/PBP etc put forward a motion that TN/Seetec should be disbanded and the motion was carried. The government that is FG/FF will just ignore that.

BillyKilkenny · 25-06-2019 6:11pm

My next appointment is for a network workshop. Does anyone know what this is

Conall Cernach · 25-06-2019 6:15pm

BillyKilkenny wrote: »

My next appointment is for a network workshop. Does anyone know what this is

They'll invite a bunch of you in and give you a presentation.

zoe 3619 · 25-06-2019 6:20pm

BillyKilkenny wrote: »

My next appointment is for a network workshop. Does anyone know what this is

Yes,as I remember it a course on how to look for jobs via family/freinds/social media etc.
Nothing complicated,maybe about 12 in the room guided by an advisor and working through a handout leaflet.

BillyKilkenny · 25-06-2019 6:20pm

Conall Cernach wrote: »

They'll invite a bunch of you in and give you a presentation.

Thanks for the quick reply. Does it take the three hours it says on the letter. Are there employers there or anything like that

zoe 3619 · 25-06-2019 7:30pm

BillyKilkenny wrote: »

Thanks for the quick reply. Does it take the three hours it says on the letter. Are there employers there or anything like that

Yes,they'll be someone there to speak and guide you through it.Sort of a group presentation.
Might take the three hours or maybe a bit less,and probably with a break half way through to grab a coffee somewhere or have a smoke.

fryup · 25-06-2019 9:50pm

is this TN nonsense being shelved or what?

Rubberchikken · 25-06-2019 9:57pm

unemployed that want employment need an organisation manned by people who are trained to help othets get employment. it should have connections with companies that would be willing to give new inexperienced school leavers/graduates work experience but it needs to be properly and professionally and ethically run, unlike the shambles that has gone before.

TN is just another badly thought out scheme by politicians and civil servants massage unemployment numbers.

BillyKilkenny · 25-06-2019 10:01pm

fryup wrote: »

is this TN nonsense being shelved or what?

Oh it's still there. Pointless as ever. Laughing at people when they leave the office. An unreal experience to say the least

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 25-06-2019 10:05pm

BillyKilkenny wrote: »

Thanks for the quick reply. Does it take the three hours it says on the letter. Are there employers there or anything like that

It'll take three hours with a break. No there'll be no employers there, you'll spend three hours

a) having someone slowly explaining to you what LinkedIn in and how to say to people you know who already have jobs "know of any jobs?"

b) everyone filling out a workbook about how to ask people you know for jobs, why it's good to ask people for jobs, and how you can do it over Facebook.

c) you get your very own certificate about how you spent three hours doing that.

Should you then decide to cut off your toe rather than have to do anything like that again, you might get moved on to DA, which is a big success for Turas Nua.

El_Bee · 25-06-2019 10:42pm

Zaylee Inexpensive Traffic wrote: »

Should you then decide to cut off your toe rather than have to do anything like that again, you might get moved on to DA, which is a big success for Turas Nua.

What's DA?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 25-06-2019 10:47pm

El_Bee wrote: »

What's DA?

Disability Allowance

blowin3 · 25-06-2019 11:00pm

Was at presentation today and there was person from the department giving a talk about jobs. I told them I had a job and that maybe once a month I had a days claim due to a short week. But I refused to sign their PPP contract and the lady agreed that I did not have to sign it. Its a total waste of time.

BillyKilkenny · 25-06-2019 11:08pm

blowin3 wrote: »

Was at presentation today and there was person from the department giving a talk about jobs. I told them I had a job and that maybe once a month I had a days claim due to a short week. But I refused to sign their PPP contract and the lady agreed that I did not have to sign it. Its a total waste of time.

Was it your first time there

blowin3 · 26-06-2019 6:18am

BillyKilkenny wrote: »

Was it your first time there

No I have been before unfortunately. They do nothing just ask a list of questions and say good luck and give me another appointment.

splinter65 · 26-06-2019 8:31am

El_Bee wrote: »

What's DA?

You won’t get “moved on”to DA. This is the problem with asking strangers on the internet.
If the reason that you haven’t got a job is that you are too ill/injured/disabled to take up full time work then you can fill in a disability allowance application form.
Your GP has to fill in his part, explaining your illness.
If there is a reason you can’t find full time work such as you have childcare issues or you are caring for someone who is sick or you are sick yourself then you shouldn’t be on Jobseekers.

Airyfairy12 · 28-06-2019 10:24pm

Is there anyway of getting out of Seetec? My employment adviser is awful, she makes me very uncomfortable and speaks to me like ive done something to her, the computers are set up in such a way that you feel youre being watched by the staff, its demoralizing and humiliating going into that place.
Theyre not helping me to get a job, theyre not offering any help or assistance what so ever, they know nothing about courses or how to go about getting jobs. Its like youre forced to go in to search for work because they dont trust that youre looking for work by yourself.

It is soul destroying. Im genuinely looking for work, ive been working till the start Summer and now im trying to find something to get me through the Summer months, this is stressful enough without being made to feel like a scrounger, there are people out there who dont want to work and havnt worked in years and dont get selected for Seetec or Turas Nua.

I am really fed up to the point where my mental health is effected and ive started seeing a counselor. I cant keep this up.

fryup · 28-06-2019 10:32pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

I

ive been working till the start Summer and now im trying to find something to get me through the Summer months,

Airyfairy12 · 28-06-2019 10:34pm

fryup wrote: »

Huh?

fryup · 28-06-2019 10:42pm

you stopped working at the start of the summer?

Airyfairy12 · 28-06-2019 10:44pm

fryup wrote: »

you stopped working at the start of the summer?

Yes, thats what my post says..

fryup · 28-06-2019 10:57pm

sorry i misread it,

Wanderer78 · 29-06-2019 10:01am

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Is there anyway of getting out of Seetec?

I am really fed up to the point where my mental health is effected and ive started seeing a counselor. I cant keep this up.

contact your health professionals, you maybe eligible for alternative welfare payments such as illness benefit or even disability allowance, both must be applied for in conjunction with your health professionals, particularly your doctor. successful application maybe enough to be removed from the jop path/seetec process. best of luck

blowin3 · 29-06-2019 1:23pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Is there anyway of getting out of Seetec? My employment adviser is awful, she makes me very uncomfortable and speaks to me like ive done something to her, the computers are set up in such a way that you feel youre being watched by the staff, its demoralizing and humiliating going into that place.
Theyre not helping me to get a job, theyre not offering any help or assistance what so ever, they know nothing about courses or how to go about getting jobs. Its like youre forced to go in to search for work because they dont trust that youre looking for work by yourself.

It is soul destroying. Im genuinely looking for work, ive been working till the start Summer and now im trying to find something to get me through the Summer months, this is stressful enough without being made to feel like a scrounger, there are people out there who dont want to work and havnt worked in years and dont get selected for Seetec or Turas Nua.

I am really fed up to the point where my mental health is effected and ive started seeing a counselor. I cant keep this up.

Keep your head up and dont let these fools beat you. They have no interest in you its their commission is all they after so DONT sign their precious PPP you are of no use to them as they get no money with out the contract. AS for feeling down you really need to talk to a professional and not a forum like this. We are all in the same boat but please talk to someone if you are not feeling well.

El_Bee · 29-06-2019 2:34pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Theyre not helping me to get a job, theyre not offering any help or assistance what so ever, they know nothing about courses or how to go about getting jobs. Its like youre forced to go in to search for work because they dont trust that youre looking for work by yourself.

The worst aspect of dealing with the advisors is that they have zero background in recruitment, which is crazy since they're essentially a publicly funded recruitment agency. And they're so quick to threaten you with "not cooperating" if you question them at all, it's a mess

Worztron · 29-06-2019 2:41pm

I'm sure plenty of the folk in there are nice people but the likes of Seetac and Turas Nua would be ideal jobs for little hitlers who love to have power over others (kind of like how bouncers get off on their pathetic little power trips). The implied threat of payment cut/reduction is always there.

blowin3 · 29-06-2019 2:45pm

El_Bee wrote: »

The worst aspect of dealing with the advisors is that they have zero background in recruitment, which is crazy since they're essentially a publicly funded recruitment agency. And they're so quick to threaten you with "not cooperating" if you question them at all, it's a mess

But like I said you are not obliged to sign a contract with a private company end of. If you dont sign cooperate with them go to meeting s whatever BUT they make no money out of you by not signing their PPP contract so you are basically no good to them.

Airyfairy12 · 29-06-2019 2:51pm

El_Bee wrote: »

The worst aspect of dealing with the advisors is that they have zero background in recruitment, which is crazy since they're essentially a publicly funded recruitment agency. And they're so quick to threaten you with "not cooperating" if you question them at all, it's a mess

They havnt got a clue, when I was at the computer I noticed that the front page of the Seetac website had a section where you could apply to work with them and noticed theyre hiring advisers, under the requirements it said that all you need to apply is a leaving cert and retail/customer service experience and experience reaching goals.
Theyre hiring shop managers and retail workers, theyre not qualified to be working as recruitment advisers and some of them seem to have let the power go to their heads.
When I gave her my cv she dumbed it down and cut it to one page, it looks like a cv from when I left secondary school, not a postgraduate cv with years of experience. Id be embarrassed to hand it in anywhere.

blowin3 wrote: »

But like I said you are not obliged to sign a contract with a private company end of. If you dont sign cooperate with them go to meeting s whatever BUT they make no money out of you by not signing their PPP contract so you are basically no good to them.

I unfortunately already signed it, I didn't know it was optional.

blowin3 · 29-06-2019 3:37pm

That's no problem. But anybody else reading this thread dont sign phone them before hand and confirm this. They will try and pressure you but keep saying I dont want to sign a contract with a private company. The Department will also confirm you dont have to sign. But you are obliged to go to meetings etc if you are claiming.

Always Tired · 30-06-2019 4:30pm

AiryFairy have you called the number to complain? I had an issue with an EA (it wasn't even my EA, but I showed up to a meeting the day after my fathers funeral only to find that my EA had quit, Seetec never bothered to contact any of her clients to tell them she wouldnt be there or make any arrangements, yet the other EA told me to sit at a computer and 'look for jobs' while she finished with another client and I just wasn't having it.)

After I complained the manager came to my next meeting, and my replacement EA never gave me any issues. Funny thing was, though, the manager looked at my CV and said she was surprised I was having trouble finding work and would make getting me a job her 'special project.'

Never heard from her again, did I? and was not referred to a single job in 12 months. I have now been sent back to it for another 12 months, despite having got a job for 6 months after finishing the first stint. The trouble is not me or my employability, it's location. If you look on jobs ie there are about 30 jobs listed in the entire Donegal county. I have no car so am limited to my inmediate town as public transport is a joke.

Anyway, the rumour is that Jobpath, at least in Donegal, is to be scrapped in December. I'm not surprised, if they can't get someone like me, mid 30s, with a degree and experience in various fields ANY kind of a job, what are they doing for other people?

Hopefully it will be scrapped nationwide. In fairness my new EA, while utterly useless, is nice and never puts any pressure on me.

I would make a complaint, request a new EA, and hopefully in 6 months this money wasting farce will be gone.

All 3 EAs I've had told me their last jobs were in retail.

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