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12-10-2018, 12:19   #31
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Is it not just that people are just a bit thick? Ignored Ali as it was only orange, went overboard in expectations of Callum, next orange warning they'll ignore it, and rinse and repeat. Rather than actually listen and digest the forecast and have appropriate expectations and reactions*?

*The media have a massive role to play in this. The Journal, for example, has been hyping Callum all week. I expect they'll fill the weekend about how crap our weather forecasters are...
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12-10-2018, 12:45   #32
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Is it not just that people are just a bit thick? Ignored Ali as it was only orange, went overboard in expectations of Callum, next orange warning they'll ignore it, and rinse and repeat. Rather than actually listen and digest the forecast and have appropriate expectations and reactions*?

*The media have a massive role to play in this. The Journal, for example, has been hyping Callum all week. I expect they'll fill the weekend about how crap our weather forecasters are...
Never a truer word said regarding the media and inparticular social media.
Prime example is facebook and their targeted ads. All week my girlfriend has been telling me about Storm Callum and red warnings even before it was named offically. Her source was the likes of daily mirror, her.ie, journal etc who were all filling her facebook feed with bull**** stories and half truths. Nothing of the sort on my facebook and I followed the weather develop through the likes of Met.ie, met office, bbc weather and of course this forum.
Inform yourself from trusted sources, make up your own opinion and you won't be too far off with what actually transpires.
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The Hype forecast. I thought the way reports were going on, we were going to have roofless houses in the morning. Far from it. They should have known that when it's lashing rain and windy there will never he a dangerous storm then. It be alot different if it wasn't raining. The rain takes the sting out of the storm.
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12-10-2018, 13:01   #34
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The Hype forecast. I thought the way reports were going on, we were going to have roofless houses in the morning. Far from it. They should have known that when it's lashing rain and windy there will never he a dangerous storm then. It be alot different if it wasn't raining. The rain takes the sting out of the storm.
You "thought the way reports were going"? There's your problem. This was an orange level storm for coastal areas and that's what we got.

I don't know why even posters to this forum can't figure out that this means it was never forecast to be as major as some recent storms like Ophelia (which was a nationwide red).
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12-10-2018, 13:05   #35
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Someone else may have suggested this already, but why dont they do the warnings based on Municipal districts or LEA's even. Some counties are very very big. And the weather in Clonmel and Nenagh could be entirely different for example. So all Tipperary getting a warning is a bit silly.

I am 100% in support of Met Eireann and the warning system. I just think the county division is not the ideal
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12-10-2018, 13:06   #36
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You "thought the way reports were going"? There's your problem. This was an orange level storm for coastal areas and that's what we got.

I don't know why even posters to this forum can't figure out that this means it was never forecast to be as major as some recent storms like Ophelia (which was a nationwide red).
Orange status also existed over counties Cork Kerry Waterford Clare Galway Mayo Donegal feom 10 pm last night to 9am this morning. Orange was orange but it wasn't anywhere close to Ophelia last year and it's the next rate down from that. All it was a bit of wind and loads of rain. Many reporters from what I saw were saying it was the end of the world when it hit. What people will do to sell newspapers or get more people reading their articles/reports. We need not worry about future storms unless they are status red I feel.
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Of course it wasn't anywhere close to Ophelia, it wasn't forecast to be! How is this not getting through? Orange is less than red. And when there's only 3 categories, orange can be significantly less than red.

If a storm is pegged as orange level, it means "be prepared". If it is red it means "take action". Theres a huge difference between those two things.

The problem generally right now isn't "political correctness" or "softness" or some other made up nonsense, it's increasing ignorance. If people don't make themselves aware of what these warning levels mean (and they are very clearly explained on the Met Eireann website), then the blame is theirs, not the system. It doesn't take much effort to understand.

Could the system be more impact based, rather than based on strict weather criteria? Absolutely, but it wouldn't cut out the amount of people being completely ignorant.
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Of course it wasn't anywhere close to Ophelia, it wasn't forecast to be! How is this not getting through? Orange is less than red. And when there's only 3 categories, orange can be significantly less than red.

If a storm is pegged as orange level, it means "be prepared". If it is red it means "take action". Theres a huge difference between those two things.

The problem generally right now isn't "political correctness" or "softness" or some other made up nonsense, it's increasing ignorance. If people don't make themselves aware of what these warning levels mean (and they are very clearly explained on the Met Eireann website), then the blame is theirs, not the system. It doesn't take much effort to understand.

Could the system be more impact based, rather than based on strict weather criteria? Absolutely, but it wouldn't cut out the amount of people being completely ignorant.
I was prepared alright. I had my rainjacket on so that I would not get wet when I went to my car after work last night. This was at most a status yellow storm.
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This was at most a status yellow storm.
Nope, it wasn't. The criteria are very clear. Go read them.
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Of course it wasn't anywhere close to Ophelia, it wasn't forecast to be! How is this not getting through? Orange is less than red. And when there's only 3 categories, orange can be significantly less than red.
Ah but maybe it was 66.5% orange!
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Nope, it wasn't. The criteria are very clear. Go read them.
Then the criteria are wrong.

"storm" callum was a complete non event.

Yet another embarrassment for our so called weather "experts".
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Could the system be more impact based, rather than based on strict weather criteria? Absolutely, but it wouldn't cut out the amount of people being completely ignorant.
No. But I think the system is making the general public more complacent. The hype is dangerous too. But if 15 counties are called out as Orange that says be prepared winds could reach up to x

Call it orange and that's what people see - be more thorough and detailed about regional systems instead of this wide brush stroke. The general public can understand a forecast - What perhaps they don't understand is Storm Ali and Storm Callum both being an Orange warning - I don't think storms should be named either - it all plays into the hype.

Edited to add one of the weather people said it would be a weaker orange for Dublin?? What's that Miwadi now -
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I don't think storms should be named either - it all plays into the hype.
You may have hit the nail on the head there. People are very familiar with hurricanes being named. Naming our storms just adds to the hype and people expect hurricane effects!

As a result, you get comments like this....

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"storm" callum was a complete non event.
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You may have hit the nail on the head there. People are very familiar with hurricanes being named. Naming our storms just adds to the hype and people expect hurricane effects!

As a result, you get comments like this....
The fact the list is released at the start of the season also feeds into the hype. The media know the name of the next storm before its even officially named and are calling it out as major event with red warnings 4 or 5 days before it is even due to possibly hit.
You also have slack reporting mixing up weather systems and referring to ex hurricanes that are neither strong enough to cause damage or connected to the system effecting us.
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The fact the list is released at the start of the season also feeds into the hype. The media know the name of the next storm before its even officially named and are calling it out as major event with red warnings 4 or 5 days before it is even due to possibly hit.
You also have slack reporting mixing up weather systems and referring to ex hurricanes that are neither strong enough to cause damage or connected to the system effecting us.
I don't think the names are the issue I think it's how the forecast is read is the big problem. At least with a warning of a few days it gives people a chance to prepare, might mean rescheduling work or getting the job done quicker. It also gives parents a chance to organize that the kids may be off school. Same with jobs. Would be a hell of a lot more giving out if people where only told that morning oh a storm is due to hit in the next few hours and the schools are closed etc. It's not a perfect science so not everywhere is going to get orange level weather even if they are in an orange listed area. Better to be safe than sorry.
But there is a responsibility with the weather presenters to not hype it. Out of the presenters I think Jean Byrne and Gerry Murphy are the best, they are not into the drama and speak with level tones and sound like meteorologists. Donnelly is the worst for over hyping the storms.
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