Can we talk firearms [READ Mod posts 10 & 12]?

Always get a howl out of those massive firefights in these films!:D:D
Especially the hero picking off bad guys with a pistol at crazy distances.Pistol shooting is a quickly lost skill[as I found out yet again after a week absence on the range!:(] Unless you practise at least one a month,you wont hit jack.So how will you do this post end of the World???:rolleyes:

Ammo will be a very prized possession and proably as valuable ,if not more so than gold.Not just for its food procurement,defence capability[providing you have the right gun for it too],but for its bartering capability.
It is small,easily transported, of great value,and rare. IOW a perfect alternative to money which when it was of some redeemable value years ago.
In Germany post war,ciggs were a currency,as in post Soviet Union collapse Russia,as they are in any jail in the world.But you would hardly find anyone smoking them,if they did suffer from the noxious weed addiction,they were smoking old rope,or dock leaves or whatever,but not packs of Malboros or Lucky Strikes.

Think how much a deck of Malboros would be worth to a heavy smoker in a shortage.Lucky you if you dont smoke or drink heavily,as your bartering goods might be a few bottles of Jack Daniels and a few bars of Camels,and maybe a few 50 boxes of .22ammo.:)

Nor would you want to engage too much in gunfights in a TEOTWAKI situation,which I belive is also why the "Wild West" wasnt so wild as made out by Hollywood!Yeah!!! Limited ,or no medical treatment in hospitals,or the next doctor is a few days away by horse ,if you are lucky.Gunshot wounds are bad enough to deal with in a nice clean modern normal day hospital with a trauma team to hand.
BUT
Imagine if the place is overrun with the injured and dead,filthy floors,staff and total overcrowding,triage is the order of the day,and a general anastehic, if you are lucky is a shot of rotgut homebrew vodka and a stick in your gob to bite on,while the surgeon grapples in your stomach for that.22 bullet with a leatherman pliers!!

I reckon even the lowly .22 sport rifle or pistol would be somthing to be feared of getting hit by.Small ,accurate debilitating a slow killer if filled with somthing nasty and deadly if hit in the right place.The Russians learned to fear Chechnyan snipers with this little gun in Grozny as it did unnerve them in the injuries it caused. If it did that to battle hardned troops,imagine what it would do to some looters who were stupid enough to try grabbing your stuff,and now have their hardman leader screaming and dying very slowly as he has a gutshot from a dumdum round??

The ability of the shotgun to engage stationary and moving or flying targets, its simplicity - particularly a single barrel - and its variety of ammunition types to deal with almost any type of game certainly indicate it is an ideal survival weapon.
The notion of limiting the choice to one type of gun will always produce an interesting debate. Rifles are 'the' tool in many instances but I'm with the shottie if one is the limit:cool:

Folks, when it comes to self defence issues I suggest you all go and familiarise yourselfs with the concepts of justifiable, proportionate and reasonable at the time the event happened and you should be perfectly capable of answering your own question from there.

Bottom line is that you have an absolute right to life and whatever actions you undertake to defend your life from potential threats can and in most cases will come under scrutiny in the courts who will decide if you acted lawfully or not. There's no point speculating and bouncing scenarios around as each and every real event has been and will be different.

In the sense of in your garage without telling the Gardai - is strictly illegal, this forum should not be used as a source to promote or disperse any such information.

Ok well then in the sense of "this is a homemade firearm,this is how it is put together.It is illegal to do so under Irish firearms laws BAR if you are a gun dealer or gunsmith and have the revelant liscenses to manufacture and/or posses this item". This site outside Ireland has such information for academic and study purposes only." Or this book company deals with this sort of info..would that fit??
Reason I'm asking is simply a lot of survivalist authors books cover a whole sections of improv weaponary,and it will be hard if anyone does a book review and has a section on improv weaponary.Do we now censor the book and say X author or book company cant be discussed anymore as they have those subjects in stock???

You cannot have a firearm in Ireland for home defence. The licence won't be issued and if you lie to get the licence, it's an offence under the Act.

Am well aware as a gun owner of the Irish firearms statues in and out and what is or is not legal!!Not to mind having fought two court cases to retain ownership of a semi rifle and handgun!!

And as has been mentioned in other posts that isnt quite strictly true either.And there have been more issued than a mere 5 in the last few years too!Try more up around 50 plus!!And ,as usual in Ireland,all animals are equal,just some are more equal than others!!

There is no such right under Irish law and therefore is a topic more suitable for debate in the political forum.

So no discussion of court cases that ultimately affect us by Irish politicans taking their cue from "American Gun culture" and not wanting it here??? :rolleyes:
Or victorious firearms cases in which a firearm was used to defend oneself in Irish courts??Of which there are a few.

Again, this is clearly laid out in the 1990 act. And it's one of those bits of Irish law that says you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent in court. Discussion can only be permitted if it falls within the law.

So can reports in the media be discussed of people bering charged and convicted using such?Keeping in mind the comment on ongoing court cases ban of boards.ie?? Which boards lawyers are taking their sweet time on commenting wether this is legal or not BTW??

Crossbows are legally restricted firearms in Ireland and need to be licenced by the Chief Superintendent.

Err Yess.But can the merits of such model vs scuh model be discussed.??We dont all always spend ALL of our time in Ireland and some of us do hunt in more enlightned countries without such silly restictions.

Again, you're back to the 1990 Act. Not illegal to own, but you can be stopped on the street and arrested for carrying one

Can we discuss them,put up pics of them,test reports etc???Not wether we can carry them in public.

With respect, there cannot be any leeway at all. The law is clear and concise and there is an obligation on Boards.ie to adhere to it. There is no freedom of speech on a privately owned internet forum. Boards.ie don't make these laws, but must abide be them regardless.

So really said folks..Back over to the shooting boards for any firearms info,ownership legality of or not here. There would be no sense in virtually duplicating two boards with the same restrictions on both.:(

BTW the Irish law does not prevent anyone from discussing,debating or otherwise censoring a topic.It would and has happened before and Ireland was dragged to the EU courts on this matter where it lost[That was the right to abortion info in the 80s]
It prohibits using or diseminating that information for illegal purposes!!

EG IOW you can watch videos on lockpicking,make your own lockpicking tools, posses them within your own 4 walls practise lockpicking on your own personal locks and padlocks ,chat to others on a internet group about the merits of a raker Vs a snap pick.But were you to be found on somone elses property trying to open their front door or their bike lock,you will be done logically and rightly for attempted burglary.Or flogging those kits to all and sundry or teaching them knowingly that they will comit an illegal act.
Whats the difference on certain topics being discussed here on survivalism??

But if Boards.ie legal dept is quaking in their Guccis,and making smelly Mars bars in their Armani jockeys about being sued for anything that some sub intelligent muppett might do with info here,that any rational adult should be able to use in a legal and non criminal way... So be it!:rolleyes:

Again, with respect, that's not a matter for an individual to decide. Your disclaimer may not be sufficient should a legal action be taken and therefore caution must always be advised when broaching these topics.

OK,Well in that case there is going to be a whole range of topics we cant discuss then as there is too great an inherent risk in them leagal wise and personal injury wise.
Apart from firearms,we'd have to pull

Alternative medicines,[Cant mention herbalism or St Johns wort then either] somone might poision themselves or dose themselves with out of date antibiotics

Hunting with traps and snares or bow and sling hunting[might contravene the wildlife act]
Survival fishing
Survival radio and comms[might contravene the radio and telegraphy act]
Survival vechicle modifications [road saftey act and NCT]
Evasive /defensive driving [" " " " "]
Alternative power sources,alternative vechicle fuels[might do in the revenue by cheating on them,another boards no no]
Alternative shelter temp or permanent [might violate building and planning codes]
Making vital chemicals in a survival situation [somone might eat the damn thing!]
Distress signalling[somone might consider it a lark to call out the SAR on a bogus call]
TBH WHAT will we be left with?? As every survival self suffienct topic could fall foul of somone acting an idiot with it.

Reason I'm being a pain in the ass about this is not because I like arguing with Mods[contary to some MODs opinion on the other boards!:)] so we can get a proper guideline set up from the start and know how far or on what we can post about,while keeping this in a revelant context to the boards name!Trouble is too,a lot of survival subjects can cross over into the not legal here ,but perfectly legal everywhere else terrain..Where do we as posters draw the line??

Just an example Silencers and suppressors.While they are used here for silent sport hunting of deer and rabbits only ,their technology and advancement in their designs comes from the military and law enforcement fields,which crosses over in development in and with civillian research into these designs as well...It is an impossibility to discuss this topic without bringing in references from either military and LE sources to make it revelant and logical or discussing them in a purely sporting context.There have been major dingdongs and infractions aplenty on the shooting boards about topics like this.
Point I'm trying to make is we might have to go more OT into areas that we cant really discuss but need to to make the revelant arguement or post revelant.If you know what I mean?

And please keep them coming, but also remember that Irish law and society is very different to most other jurisdictions

Aint that a FACT????:rolleyes:


. Just because survivalistboards.com (for example) is discussing the virtues of the AK47 doesn't mean we can do the same here

But we can discuss the AK47 in all its glory..Just cant tell anyone where to go and buy or aquire one,or heres the plans in PDF to build one if you happen to have a vertical milling machine and lathe in the garden shed and eight years in engineering and tool making experiance.
In which case you are more than competant in proably building your own SMG design anyway;)
And it would be nice to be able to discuss non sporting firearms once inawhile too in an Irish context.:)
Sermon over:D:D
Grizz

Fresh,if you are short on the old refigeration.I'd put that down for any meat in a survival situation.You hang hares,but not too long either.

BTW on survival guns.
Maybe a bit on guns built specifically for food procurement in a survival situation.
IE the AR7 or Savage over/under rifle shotgun combo might be of intrest in the fact they were built as food procurement type arms ,not for self defence etc from the word go.
Maybe stories on how did those that have them get liscensed ,and how did they find them for hunting in an Irish context??

Delancey wrote: »

While the discussion of the trapping and killing of animals for food in a survival situation seems very appropriate to a Survival forum I think we need to keep in mind that there are laws relating to this activity.
I would also be concerned that some idiot would go out and needlessly ( and possibly illegally ) trap animals.

As I understand it some types of traps / snares are illegal and perhaps the mods may have an opinion on this type of discussion ?

@Mods my observations on this FWIW ...

Guys you WILL have to make some decisions on topics here.
As I pointed out before you WILL have contentious problems with the following;

Firearms in an Irish context
Hunting with traps and snares or bow and sling hunting[might contravene the wildlife act]
Survival fishing [might contravene the fishing and Wildlife act
]Survival radio and comms[might contravene the radio and telegraphy act]
Survival vechicle modifications [road saftey act and NCT]
Evasive /defensive driving [" " " ]
Alternative power sources,alternative vechicle fuels
[might do in the revenue by cheating on them,another boards no no]
Alternative shelter temp or permanent
[might violate building and planning codes]
Making vital basic chemicals in a survival situation
Distress signalling
[somone might consider it a lark to call out the SAR on a bogus call.

Now the thing is you cant say we cant discuss it on a internet site,[as in snaring &trapping]as this information is already out there in print in the public domain and has been for many years.Ditto for any info on shooting as well,there are a plethora of written books freely available on the topicsof home defence etc as well.But lets not go there on this topic.

Snareing and trapping is coverd in the SAS survival manual ,and all they put in is a disclaimer about using this info in a survival situation and to check local laws on this too.So are we to be held responsible because some di"khead goes out and tries somthing because he read it on the interweb.When he could have just as easily read it off paper??

If we get rid of a load of survival topics,all we will be here is a glorified bushcraft chat group,that is afraid to discuss aload of topics for legal reasons and policy ,that could be freely discussed on the Zombie survival group as surviving post Zombie apocalypse as everyone knows Zombies dont exist!
I mean how many discussions on the best Zombie killing weapon have there been,on defending your retreat from Z's,making your own fuel,traps and whatnot etc.Change Z's for looters and whats the difference??

Soo in fairness then THREE seperate boards would have to abide on all of the above rules Re firearms,explosives etc.Shooting,Zombie survival and survivalism and self suffiency.Sauce for the goose and all that...

But at as loss to boards.ie as everyone who will want to discuss these in a rational and responsible adult manner will emigrate to other chat groups where this is handled without total fear of wrong doing or litigation.:(

Its kind of the situation of the girl who wanted to engage in a sexual act while still wearing her under garments.:rolleyes: Either we do it up to a certain point [Which HAS to be clearly defined by the mods on all topics on the three boards] or we dont do the topics at all.Simples !!

fodda wrote: »

Hanging meat theory:)

When we had no medicines etc and supposidly little knowledge of diseases did people always hang meat to make sure all of the parasites on the animal were dead and any dodgy diseases in the animal were also dead so there was no chance of catching anything from the meat you were eating?

Meat is hung to make it more tender and/ or make the taste less string and gamy.

Before refrigeration 'cold rooms' were used for this.

In some cases ice was used to keep them cold, in other cases they were just external sheds that were orientated to the north and well insulated.

In urban areas, a room in the middle of the house and if possible in the basement can be used.

Wrapping the carcass in muslin is a good way to keep the nasties off of it while you do this.