How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

briany · 02-03-2021 2:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's rubbish to be honest.

The UK would immediately be in a weaker position if Unionists pull the rug from under them. They have to go back to the drawing table so to speak and come up with alternatives that will work THEN present them to the EU.
Much more likely if it is an Executive decision that a UK PM/SoS holds a poll to see what the people want to do.

There are no 'petitions of concern' in this consent vote BTW. Which is why I don't think the Unionist much vaunted legal case has a chance in hell of success. The decision to opt for the WA and the Protocol is a 'UK government' one ultimately, taken in the interests of the UK.
The Unionists are about to run up against the excuse they used for insisting on Brexit...the wider UK wanted to do it etc.

I don't think it's rubbish because the UK government has prior form on all this. They'll come back with proposals, alright, but they'll be markedly similar to what was being proposed before the WA was struck, i.e. checks away from the border and trusted traders schemes.

FrancieBrady · 02-03-2021 2:28pm

briany wrote: »

I don't think it's rubbish because the UK government has prior form on all this. They'll come back with proposals, alright, but they'll be markedly similar to what was being proposed before the WA was struck, i.e. checks away from the border and trusted traders schemes.

And the answer will be no for the EU.

So Unionists should be (if thinking strategically) thinking about what happens if we reach stalemate on a solution. They may not like the answer if they think about it.

Fionn1952 · 02-03-2021 3:35pm

downcow wrote: »

So you'll never catch me not having the balls to address a previous post.
You are correct in that I thought Kate Hoey was still a member of the Labour Party (but talk about dancing on the head of a pin). I also was not sure which party Ben Habib belonged to ( he was a major tory donator).
But that said, you are correct, that it does not have the breadth of support that I was lead to believe when I was told it was happening - That said, it has much greater support from unionist parties that I was lead to believe.

But I still believe terms you use like "you boasted this as a widely supported in Britain" totally misrepresent my post on the subject - but hey, I am used to that

In short, give yourself a big pat on the back; that's one up for you - I don't often make errors or not be entirely factual on here, so I understand your need for tiny victories when i make a slip

Only took a week, Downcow. Despite your pomp and smugness, that's twice in as many topics between us you've had to retract and apologise for a statement you've erroneously made, so perhaps not as uncommon as you think.

That said, I fully accept your apology and your clarification that the legal challenge only has fringe support at best from a known agitator in Jamie Bryson's social circle and an absolute nobody.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-03-2021 7:35pm

If I were unionist i'd have handened my divorce papers to London by now. :mad:

Don't let them treat you like this.

Walk away.

downcow · 02-03-2021 8:34pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If I were unionist i'd have handened my divorce papers to London by now. :mad:

Don't let them treat you like this.

Walk away.

Haha classic. The suitor who fancies us suggests we should divorce our current partner. Haha. Couldn’t make it up. We are not in love with you. UK may not be perfect but we are committed.

downcow · 02-03-2021 8:42pm

lurleen lumpkin wrote: »

Humblebrag check.
Backhanded compliment check.

Just missing a 'yes but look what the IRA did this day 30 years ago' for the full card.

Thanks for asking. There you go!
Every day is a proud day for republican heros.
They just snuffed our a few lives today

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1366729736974655500

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1366811616709382145

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1366658208874528769

Feisar · 02-03-2021 8:43pm

downcow wrote: »

Haha classic. The suitor who fancies us suggests we should divorce our current partner. Haha. Couldn’t make it up. We are not in love with you. UK may not be perfect but we are committed.

We're not yer suitor, we're yer mother. Never forget that.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-03-2021 8:45pm

We don't love you either but they are divorcing you. A line down the corner of the house. Shocking.

downcow · 02-03-2021 8:46pm

Feisar wrote: »

We're not yer suitor, we're yer mother. Never forget that.

Patronising stuff. But it is good to know how our neighbours sees us. So much for equals!

downcow · 02-03-2021 8:48pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We don't love you either but they are divorcing you. A line down the corner of the house. Shocking.

You are right, because if you loved us you would want what was best for us. You just want us to be with you for your own satisfaction

Fionn1952 · 02-03-2021 8:58pm

This metaphor is creepy all round, folks. Really creepy.

FrancieBrady · 02-03-2021 8:59pm

Looks like they've gone down another cul-de-sac. Reverse gear incoming.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/reversal-looms-for-dups-block-on-building-permanent-irish-sea-border-checkpoints-3151040

Feisar · 02-03-2021 9:08pm

downcow wrote: »

Patronising stuff. But it is good to know how our neighbours sees us. So much for equals!

I was taking the piss, chill out.

Equals says yer man who’s “side” ran an apartheid state, LOL.

downcow · 02-03-2021 9:12pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Looks like they've gone down another cul-de-sac. Reverse gear incoming.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/reversal-looms-for-dups-block-on-building-permanent-irish-sea-border-checkpoints-3151040

Francie quoting the Newsletter. The world definitely is couped ðŸ˜‚

FrancieBrady · 02-03-2021 9:30pm

downcow wrote: »

Francie quoting the Newsletter. The world definitely is couped ��

It would be hard even for the Newsletter to spin the fact he is about to be smacked on the arse and told to do his job and what he was told.

RobMc59 · 02-03-2021 10:47pm

downcow wrote: »

Patronising stuff. But it is good to know how our neighbours sees us. So much for equals!

It seems not all NI's neighbours think the same as this link suggests.

"Police Scotland concerned about 'loyalist sentiment' as result of Brexit | The Scotsman" https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/police-scotland-concerned-about-loyalist-sentiment-as-result-of-brexit-3150733?amp

BonnieSituation · 02-03-2021 11:09pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

It seems not all NI's neighbours think the same as this link suggests.

"Police Scotland concerned about 'loyalist sentiment' as result of Brexit | The Scotsman" https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/police-scotland-concerned-about-loyalist-sentiment-as-result-of-brexit-3150733?amp

Should Police Scotland not be concerned? Is that what you are saying?

RobMc59 · 02-03-2021 11:20pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Should Police Scotland not be concerned? Is that what you are saying?

Yes,the thought of a bunch of angry Scots is a cause for concern for everyone.

FrancieBrady · 02-03-2021 11:28pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

Yes,the thought of a bunch of angry Scots is a cause for concern for everyone.

They're angry in Tuvalu too.

Fionn1952 · 03-03-2021 1:00am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They're angry in Tuvalu too.

A few in the Vatican outraged by it too apparently...

downcow · 03-03-2021 7:01am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Stop answering questions with questions.

Just answer the question straight up. Your refusal to do so speaks volumes

What's stopping you attending your local MPs constituency office to make representations?

For those of you who have struggled to understand why unionists would be unable to use their local MPs constituency office in South Down due to it being named after two local sectarian murderers, maybe this will help.
He (Chris Hazard MP) has now tweeted his support for China and in particular his solidarity with President Xi.
Here is Amnesty International's Patrick Corrigan tweeted response "#Solidarity with the Uighur and Kazakh Muslims of Xinjiang, a million of whom have been put in mass internment camps for 're-education' at Xi’s direction."
Maybe he will put his name up on the office as well. The president Xi SF Advice Centre. It would be very fitting

A leopard doesn’t change its spots. It’s not that long since SF/IRA were re-educating people in dark rooms in Belfast and forests along the border.

Fionn1952 · 03-03-2021 10:10am

downcow wrote: »

For those of you who have struggled to understand why unionists would be unable to use their local MPs constituency office in South Down due to it being named after two local sectarian murderers, maybe this will help.
He (Chris Hazard MP) has now tweeted his support for China and in particular his solidarity with President Xi.
Here is Amnesty International's Patrick Corrigan tweeted response "#Solidarity with the Uighur and Kazakh Muslims of Xinjiang, a million of whom have been put in mass internment camps for 're-education' at Xi’s direction."
Maybe he will put his name up on the office as well. The president Xi SF Advice Centre. It would be very fitting

A leopard doesn’t change its spots. It’s not that long since SF/IRA were re-educating people in dark rooms in Belfast and forests along the border.

Not quite, Downcow. He tweeted regarding China's efforts to end absolute poverty (this is recognised by the UN, certainly room for debate on the matter, but too off topic to address in this thread). That being said even without your exaggeration, the tweet made me feel very uncomfortable. He does seem to praise Xi's efforts in the tweet, but one without your agenda would most likely read his #solidarity with regards to ending poverty rather than solidarity with Xi. Looking at his Twitter, he seems to have a track record of tweeting in solidarity of the people of various places.

It was an incredibly ill advised, ignorant post which is worth criticising, so I don't see why the need to exaggerate or put spin on it; it is already pretty unpleasant.

In general, it would be better to provide a link to the tweet along with your commentary, I've done so below.

https://twitter.com/ChrisHazzardSF/status/1365605269493923843?s=19

I've no idea what his play is here...is it just generic support of anything left wing?

FrancieBrady · 03-03-2021 11:01am

Just for balance, the Irish News now reporting on Lyons trip up another cul-de-sac.

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/1367034085017870337

FrancieBrady · 03-03-2021 11:32am

What could possibly be the reason for this?

https://twitter.com/DannyDonnelly1/status/1367044312874307585

One wonders how close to the truth this comment is?:

They know 1 empty shelf in a Poundshop won't sway them

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2021 11:36am

Nothing to see. That's why.

downcow · 04-03-2021 9:10am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Nothing to see. That's why.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/loyalist-paramilitary-groups-withdraw-support-for-belfast-agreement-1.4500982?mode=amp

This was inevitable since Roi encouraged Eu to tear up the gfa.
I appreciate the LCCs desire for non violence but unfortunately the unionist community has watched Roi pm use the threat of republican violence work for them.

The one thing I agree 100% with them is that the unionist community should be clear that the gfa no longer has its support due to the breaches by Roi I say that as someone who took serious abuse from within my community for voting yes to it 20 years ago. I, like david Trimble, feel betrayed by Roi

#edit. I have reflected on this and what is interesting for me is that my anger is absolutely not against the ordinary nationalist people in NI, the EU or the UK, rather it is fair and square against the Roi. They are the ones manipulated the Eu etc with the threats of violence (and of course the Sf leadership)

grayzer75 · 04-03-2021 10:02am

downcow wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/loyalist-paramilitary-groups-withdraw-support-for-belfast-agreement-1.4500982?mode=amp

This was inevitable since Roi encouraged Eu to tear up the gfa.
I appreciate the LCCs desire for non violence but unfortunately the unionist community has watched Roi pm use the threat of republican violence work for them.

The one thing I agree 100% with them is that the unionist community should be clear that the gfa no longer has its support due to the breaches by Roi I say that as someone who took serious abuse from within my community for voting yes to it 20 years ago. I, like david Trimble, feel betrayed by Roi

#edit. I have reflected on this and what is interesting for me is that my anger is absolutely not against the ordinary nationalist people in NI, the EU or the UK, rather it is fair and square against the Roi. They are the ones manipulated the Eu etc with the threats of violence (and of course the Sf leadership)

Yeah it's the ROI's fault that Boris shafted the DUP in the negotiations and stuck a border down the sea - if only people could have seen it coming, oh wait.......... The DUP were gloating when they were backing Boris but were the only ones not to realise that Boris or his mates couldn't give a flying f**k about the north. But as you say it's the ROI's fault for protecting the majority on the island :rolleyes:

Loyalists are upset due to the disruption of their drug network with extra checks at the ports. All their 'members' will have to stump up more cash in weekly dues to keep the boys at the top in their cushy lifestyles.

Annd9 · 04-03-2021 10:03am

Ah yes the country who warned and warned that Brexit has no good outcomes for NI is solely to blame for the current situation ..... Hilarious !

bocaman · 04-03-2021 10:17am

Now the UDA and other assorted loyalist terrorist have withdrawn their support for the GFA. I wonder who's using the threat of violence now?

BonnieSituation · 04-03-2021 10:25am

bocaman wrote: »

Now the UDA and other assorted loyalist terrorist have withdrawn their support for the GFA. I wonder who's using the threat of violence now?

Republicans of course, because this is where loyalists learned violence from.

How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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