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Berlin-Brandenburg Airport

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  • #32
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Lapin wrote: »
    WTF ? :confused:

    In general you're all shortarses here :p


  • #33
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    BER and SXF are the same place just effectively a different terminal, same runway(s)

    There is talk of keeping SXF for LCC, biz jets etc
    SXF will be partially demolished and converted into the government terminal. The Luftwaffe will then reassign its government jets to there (they are currently based in Cologne/Bonn and have to fly to TXL to collect the Chancellor, ministers etc. before setting off-pretty inefficient!). That's the plan anyway.

    Edit: SXF used to have 2 parallel runways (too close together for simultaneous operations) but the northern one was closed about over a decade ago and partially ploughed up to make way for the A113 Autobahn. The airport has been running on the remaining single runway ever since. This will become the northern runway for BER and there will be an additional southern runway which will allow simultaneous operations, like at Munich (mid field airport).


  • #34
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    murphaph wrote: »
    <snip>This will become the northern runway for BER and there will be an additional southern runway which will allow simultaneous operations, like at Munich (mid field airport).
    but unlike Berlin, Munich opened on time and on budget and the garguantuan operation to move everything not nailed down across town overnight went without a hitch. So good that they got awards for the logistical feat!
    http://www.munich-airport.de/en/micro/20jahre/umzug/index.jsp

    I dont know what they are at in Berlin thats its so late and over budget.

    And yesterday it was anounced that it'll not open before the end of 2016.
    Aparantly someone forgot to go round the local residents and give them extra acoustic insulation as was supposed to be done.


  • #35
    Marcusm
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well if you believe that then fair play.
    The photo itself doesn't take long. The queuing did.

    And when returning to Dublin you're forced, inappropriately, to get into a passport queue as CTA and other flights are not segregated. The LHR procedure is there as a consequence of the absence of photo ID requirements.


  • #36
    Fred Swanson
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  • #37
    Cookiemunster
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    It's probably a Schengen thing. UK and Ireland are the only EU countries not in the Schengen zone, so passports have to be checked. Some of the newer Polish airports I've been to have a couple of segregated gates at the end of the terminal for these flights.


  • #38
    murphaph
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    but unlike Berlin, Munich opened on time and on budget and the garguantuan operation to move everything not nailed down across town overnight went without a hitch. So good that they got awards for the logistical feat!
    http://www.munich-airport.de/en/micro/20jahre/umzug/index.jsp

    I dont know what they are at in Berlin thats its so late and over budget.

    And yesterday it was anounced that it'll not open before the end of 2016.
    Aparantly someone forgot to go round the local residents and give them extra acoustic insulation as was supposed to be done.
    Yeah it's a balls alright, very embarrassing for the capital city. I love MUC. Great airport. Had the privilege of visiting the control tower there (and also the ATC centre nearby, which handles ATC for southern Germany and parts of Austria and Switzerland.).


  • #39
    murphaph
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Schengen countries are obliged to check the passports of those leaving the Schengen Zone but are obviously prohibited from checking passports of people travelling inside Schengen...so where else could you check passports so selectively if not at the gate? It's not just German airports that have this set up.


  • #40
    LXFlyer
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    I'm sure MI5 have better things to be worrying about than keeping photos of every CTA passenger ad nauseum.


    The location of passport control booths depends upon how individual airports are designed. Some airports (such as Zurich, Copenhagen and Oslo) have separate Schengen/non-Schengen departure areas, whilst others don't.


    It depends upon space availability and terminal design.


  • #41
    Stimpyone
    Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Stimpyone


    What makes it worse is that Schönefeld has stopped allowing Aer Lingus gold circle members use the Junkers Lounge. In fairness it is a rubbish Lounge but at least it’s air conditioned and away from the madness that is Schönefeld Airport in the summer!.


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  • #42
    markpb
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    I'm sure MI5 have better things to be worrying about than keeping photos of every CTA passenger ad nauseum.

    Given the revelations of the last few months, I'm not sure that's true. If GCHQ want to keep copies of peoples (mostly naked) webchats on Yahoo, MI5 could reasonably want to keep photos of travellers.


  • #43
    Simon Gruber Says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Another year, another delay "Current estimates suggest that the airport will open in 2018 or 2019, at the latest."

    The place is just becoming a money pit at this stage and Schönefeld is only getting worse.


  • #44
    Fred Swanson
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  • #45
    Simon Gruber Says
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Simon Gruber Says


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    I assume that Tegel will close also when the new airport eventually opens?

    Yeah, both existing airports are to close when then new EDDB comes into operation. The thrid, Templehof has already been closed for a few years and is now a nice public park with the runways and terminal building still there.


  • #46
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Fred Swanson wrote:

    Originally Posted by Fred Swanson View Post
    I assume that Tegel will close also when the new airport eventually opens?

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/thank-you-tegel-berliners-bid-emotional-farewell-to-cold-war-airport/ar-BB1aOo5I?ocid=msedgdhp


  • #47
    goingnowhere
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    Tegel is technically closed as today, but is held in reserve for a few months in case anything goes wrong

    Schönefeld is still very much in business


  • #48
    Noxegon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    And now they're talking about mothballing BER T5 (otherwise known as SXF) for a year.

    https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2020/11/24/berlin-airports-terminal-5-expected-to-close-in-march-2021/

    Good news for the customer experience, if not necessarily for the low fare airlines.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • #49
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Noxegon wrote: »
    And now they're talking about mothballing BER T5 (otherwise known as SXF) for a year.

    https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2020/11/24/berlin-airports-terminal-5-expected-to-close-in-march-2021/

    Good news for the customer experience, if not necessarily for the low fare airlines.

    Exactly, having previously flown from both SXF and later TXL as a passenger, they were old airports and really felt like bus terminals, I deplored SXF and similarly hated the C gates at TXL.

    Plenty of capacity for BER to cater to all traffic at the new main Terminal, potentially in better times the old SXF can be redeveloped as an LCC Terminal - In of course a timeline that is met. :o


  • #50
    Noxegon
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    I suspect that SXF won’t reopen in a year no matter what they might be saying at the moment.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



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