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13-06-2019, 23:01   #1
 
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PIRA founding member,Billy McKee dies (RIP)

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Not sure if this is right forum (sorry if not),

I tried avoid politics type forums so as to avoid a trainwreak thread

But whatever your views on the troubles,this is a notable death of someone who influenced the early troubles quite heavily
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......But whatever your views on the troubles,this is a notable death of someone who influenced the early troubles quite heavily
Not very notable - he was 97. Not everyone will miss him.

In recent years he defended some of the worst IRA atrocities which took place during his time of leadership, including the disappearance and murder of mother-of-10 Mrs McConville in west Belfast.


He also defended ‘Bloody Friday’ in 1972, when the IRA detonated 20 bombs in Belfast city centre in just over an hour, killing nine people, injuring 130 others and causing widespread terror.
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Not very notable - he was 97. Not everyone will miss him.

In recent years he defended some of the worst IRA atrocities which took place during his time of leadership, including the disappearance and murder of mother-of-10 Mrs McConville in west Belfast.


He also defended ‘Bloody Friday’ in 1972, when the IRA detonated 20 bombs in Belfast city centre in just over an hour, killing nine people, injuring 130 others and causing widespread terror.
As ive said....be you agree or disagree with his actions

By being a founding member of the pira,he is a person of note through our shared history on this island



To say he wasnt a person of not is just denying history,because it deosnt suit you
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As ive said....be you agree or disagree with his actions

By being a founding member of the pira,he is a person of note through our shared history on this island



To say he wasnt a person of not is just denying history,because it deosnt suit you
ill agree he was a person of note alright

i wouldnt be adding any RIP sentiments
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Not very notable - he was 97. Not everyone will miss him.

In recent years he defended some of the worst IRA atrocities which took place during his time of leadership, including the disappearance and murder of mother-of-10 Mrs McConville in west Belfast.


He also defended ‘Bloody Friday’ in 1972, when the IRA detonated 20 bombs in Belfast city centre in just over an hour, killing nine people, injuring 130 others and causing widespread terror.
As big a scumbag as Michael Collins was
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To say he wasnt a person of not is just denying history,because it deosnt suit you
Go read your opening post. You wrote it was a ‘notable death’. It was not, other than for the longevity of his life, most males are dead by that age. If you meant he was a notable person you should have said so.
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As big a scumbag as Michael Collins was
What an asinine comment. Collins fought a military war against military; while he had no hesitation in ordering the trigger to be squeezed it was against soldiers/police. He did not indiscriminately plant bombs to kill civilians or shoot innocents.
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Go read your opening post. You wrote it was a ‘notable death’. It was not, other than for the longevity of his life, most males are dead by that age. If you meant he was a notable person you should have said so.
Ok...if you think pira are irrelevant or not notable to modern irish history and death of one its founders is unnotable,thats up to you i guess?

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What an asinine comment. Collins fought a military war against military; while he had no hesitation in ordering the trigger to be squeezed it was against soldiers/police. He did not indiscriminately plant bombs to kill civilians or shoot innocents.
Your very misinformed about collins,he was multiple times more ruthless than people appreciate....McKee would be cut from same old school republican cloth as him imho
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He took part in the Defense of the Short Strand (a small Nationalist enclave surroned by Loyalists) in June 1970, one of the PIRA's first battles, he was the O/C of the Belfast Brigade at the time and he was badly wounded in the battle, Short Strand would have been in the Belfast Brigades Third Battalion area along Ardoyne & The Markets area.
In 1972 he went on hunger strike for POW status & this was granted in July 1972 as "Special Categury" status which pretty much amounted to POW status, this was when the IRA delegation met British government officials, and then it was taken away when internment was phased out in 1976 & that was what the whole fuse was about in 1980/1981.

A decent man, but a little stuck in the past wth his religous views along with Sean MacStofain. He mus be the last member of the original PIRA Army Council to die unless John Kelly is still alive.


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RIP. He had a good innings.
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He was also one of , if not the main organizer of the Provos attacks on the Official IRA in 1975, which turned into a bloody feud, leaving something like nearly a dozen people dead people dead & dozens more injured. https://www.nytimes.com/1975/11/01/a...-ira-feud.html https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/issues/violence/feudchron.htm

After the PIRA adopted the cell structure in 1977/78 he was slowly pushed out of the main parts of the movement alone with Seamus Twomey, Daithi O'Connell & Ruari O'Bradaigh and replaced with people like Adams, McGuinness, Danny Morrison, Kevin McKenna, Slab Murphy etc... and followed Ruari in the 1986 walkout and was a critic of the Adams leadership ever since up until his death.

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RIP. Brave man and someone who deserves great praise. Stood up to the extreme unionists and British security terror groups. Without men like him, we would have been looking at social cleansing in many parts of the north.
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A decent man, but a little stuck in the past ......
To that and all the other claims for his 'worth' I reply that he was a brutal thug stuck in a mythical past shaped by his white Irish Catholicism, his own version of Republicanism and his warped imagination. This country in its near entirety shed not one single tear on the news of his death; he lived to a ripe old age unlike the almost 900 people murdered by the PIRA during his leadership. He was a man of extreme violence, a dinosaur, a bigot of the highest order who did not know what was the true meaning of being a ‘Republican’.

True Republicans have an agenda of uniting Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter. Under McKee’s distorted outlook nobody, Catholic, Protestant, Dissenter, woman or child was free from being murdered in his undemocratic pursuit of his version of a United Ireland.

McKee's bigotry and hatred were astounding and were more suited to the medieval Jesuits of the Inquisition. When PSNI officer Ronan Kerr was murdered in 2011, he told the Irish News that “Ronan Kerr knew when he donned that uniform what was in front of him... You can’t expect us to go down and start shedding tears for some of them. Not me.” Not long after that he was excoriated for the Bloody Friday / Belfast city centre bombing and his trite excuse was that it “didn’t come off as expected”. He did not have the courage to state how he expected the 20 bombs to ‘come off’ adding “I’m not going to condemn it or the men that carried it out,” he said. “No way.”

Similarly, to the end he had no sympathy for Mrs. McConville’s family, continuing to justify her killing because, according to him, “All I know is that Mrs McConville was found out... working for the Brits,” a claim denied by her family and reaffirmed by the Police Ombudsman as false.

Ireland is better off without people like him and his twisted supporters. Thankfully in decades to come history will view him for what he really was.
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surprised he called himself "Billy"
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To that and all the other claims for his 'worth' I reply that he was a brutal thug stuck in a mythical past shaped by his white Irish Catholicism, his own version of Republicanism and his warped imagination. This country in its near entirety shed not one single tear on the news of his death; he lived to a ripe old age unlike the almost 900 people murdered by the PIRA during his leadership. He was a man of extreme violence, a dinosaur, a bigot of the highest order who did not know what was the true meaning of being a ‘Republican’.

True Republicans have an agenda of uniting Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter. Under McKee’s distorted outlook nobody, Catholic, Protestant, Dissenter, woman or child was free from being murdered in his undemocratic pursuit of his version of a United Ireland.

McKee's bigotry and hatred were astounding and were more suited to the medieval Jesuits of the Inquisition. When PSNI officer Ronan Kerr was murdered in 2011, he told the Irish News that “Ronan Kerr knew when he donned that uniform what was in front of him... You can’t expect us to go down and start shedding tears for some of them. Not me.” Not long after that he was excoriated for the Bloody Friday / Belfast city centre bombing and his trite excuse was that it “didn’t come off as expected”. He did not have the courage to state how he expected the 20 bombs to ‘come off’ adding “I’m not going to condemn it or the men that carried it out,” he said. “No way.”

Similarly, to the end he had no sympathy for Mrs. McConville’s family, continuing to justify her killing because, according to him, “All I know is that Mrs McConville was found out... working for the Brits,” a claim denied by her family and reaffirmed by the Police Ombudsman as false.

Ireland is better off without people like him and his twisted supporters. Thankfully in decades to come history will view him for what he really was.
Not the thread for this muck. You've already exposed yourself as a hypocrite and your analysis of those who stood up to British terrorism comes straight from the partitionist playbook, completely ignorant of the facts and what life was like for Nationalists in the north.
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