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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #62
    Timmaay
    Registered Users Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    freedominacup wrote: »
    I'd love to know how accurate and these weights are.

    Pure guess, but this chap is growing it with years so would know his stuff, says it's too fair back on previous years to be any more. I'm buying it per ton so makes zero odds, he is going to be hit hard enough though.


  • #63
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Pure guess, but this chap is growing it with years so would know his stuff, says it's too fair back on previous years to be any more. I'm buying it per ton so makes zero odds, he is going to be hit hard enough though.

    Bought 11 acres last yr, was told v few crops were less than 25t/acre, and this was a fine crop. Weighed a few of the lorries and I'd say it was lucky if it averaged much over 20t/acre. Admittedly it was extremely dry


  • #64
    Timmaay
    Registered Users Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Bought 11 acres last yr, was told v few crops were less than 25t/acre, and this was a fine crop. Weighed a few of the lorries and I'd say it was lucky if it averaged much over 20t/acre. Admittedly it was extremely dry

    I'm not going to deny I wouldn't have a clue what weight a load of maize is, all I know is it fed well, and plugged a big enough hole in winter fodder for me ha. Moving forward it isn't really part of the overall plan, at 50e/ton too expensive, high dmd silage bales and whatever other locally sourced fodder, like whole crop, beet etc are better value, alongside reducing or exiting winter milk.


  • #65
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Timmaay wrote: »
    I'm not going to deny I wouldn't have a clue what weight a load of maize is, all I know is it fed well, and plugged a big enough hole in winter fodder for me ha. Moving forward it isn't really part of the overall plan, at 50e/ton too expensive, high dmd silage bales and whatever other locally sourced fodder, like whole crop, beet etc are better value, alongside reducing or exiting winter milk.

    Comparing against other bought in feeds it prob doesn't work out as dear as you think over them depending on the year.. Wouldn't buy silage again unless growing and cutting are within our control


  • #66
    Timmaay
    Registered Users Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Milked out wrote: »
    Comparing against other bought in feeds it prob doesn't work out as dear as you think over them depending on the year.. Wouldn't buy silage again unless growing and cutting are within our control

    I'm lucky enough growing and cutting are under my own control for the silage. I've done out the sums, no comparison the grass silage definitely cheaper. Ya get other odd feeds popping up around here also, cheap spuds last year ha, beet the year before. For this winter I'm happy with the maize, but I know it's a huge 7/8/9k cheque I have to write out with questionable returns in a time of poor milk prices.


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  • #67
    whelan2
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    just do it wrote: »
    What did you get for them?
    wont get cheque until tomorrow


  • #68
    einn32
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭einn32


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Are you a milker or assisting the owner?

    If you want a few brownie points, suggest putting all the heifers and hi dependence cows in one group. It will mean a bit more work bringing cows to and fro but his solids will increase and his in calf rate will improve.

    You may even be able to negotiate a small bonus into it, perhaps a $per every 10kgms extra and $10 per every cow less empty.

    On 450 cows that could become $12/1400 at the seasons end. You'd get a week in a hoor house before you come home out of it :):)


    Just a milker. How does it lead to better solids and in calf rate? Seems like a no brainer if they are the results but I guess you would have to weigh it up against the cost of the extra work involved. That would mean another herd of about 120 cows, with a seperate rotation, at least another hour of bringing them in during grazing season, running them through AI seperately, extra wages per hour to name a few.

    What does the $12/1400 mean?

    Probably get a month in one if I went to Thailand!


  • #69
    Greengrass1
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    Sprayed last Wednesday.
    Baled today.
    awful matt of grass on it still and had mower down at 2cm.
    Direct drill was the plan. Should I wait a week?


  • #70
    frogloch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭frogloch


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Sprayed last Wednesday.
    Baled today.
    awful matt of grass on it still and had mower down at 2cm.
    Direct drill was the plan. Should I wait a week?

    Wait a few days to make sure that green dies out of it. Otherwise whats the point in reseeding especially if direct drilling.:)


  • #71
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    frogloch wrote: »
    Wait a few days to make sure that green dies out of it. Otherwise whats the point in reseeding especially if direct drilling.:)

    The Green bits are just were cow pats were. All was brown when mower went in yesterday


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  • #72
    frogloch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭frogloch


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    The Green bits are just were cow pats were. All was brown when mower went in yesterday

    Where's the cow pats now?:P No just wait 2 or 3 days to see how it goes.


  • #73
    Blackgrass
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Sprayed last Wednesday.
    Baled today.
    awful matt of grass on it still and had mower down at 2cm.
    Direct drill was the plan. Should I wait a week?

    DD away, still have 3/4 days before seeds maybe a week :).
    If a firebrigade runs needed


  • #74
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Blackgrass wrote: »
    DD away, still have 3/4 days before seeds maybe a week :).
    If a firebrigade runs needed

    Been told can still spray 5 days after sowing with no affect too seed.
    The matt of grass wouldn't bother you?


  • #75
    Blackgrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Blackgrass


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Been told can still spray 5 days after sowing with no affect too seed.
    The matt of grass wouldn't bother you?

    Whats the drill, discs should slice through grand. Spray right up the day new seeds poke through, just need giant brass b^^^s to risk it at last minute and then you run out of time :D.


  • #76
    Greengrass1
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    Blackgrass wrote: »
    Whats the drill, discs should slice through grand. Spray right up the day new seeds poke through, just need giant brass b^^^s to risk it at last minute and then you run out of time :D.

    3m horsch pronto I think it is.
    may rub harrow around under the trees where there is that creeping grass


  • #77
    Blackgrass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Blackgrass


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    3m horsch pronto I think it is.
    may rub harrow around under the trees where there is that creeping grass

    Just the straight coulter or mixing it up with discs also? just curious vs any issue. Can get 120kg pressure to coulter in theory atleast!


  • #78
    Greengrass1
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    Blackgrass wrote: »
    Just the straight coulter or mixing it up with discs also? just curious vs any issue. Can get 120kg pressure to coulter in theory atleast!

    Last time he just cut the slot with discs and dropped in seed.
    would discs do much chopping?


  • #79
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Blackgrass wrote: »
    Whats the drill, discs should slice through grand. Spray right up the day new seeds poke through, just need giant brass b^^^s to risk it at last minute and then you run out of time :D.

    Put a sheet of glass down and check it at least twice a day- the seed under the glass should germinate a day or so earlier-( to be fair,I've only seen that Done spring and autumn - not sure if the heat of our fantastic summer would make a difference

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #80
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Put a sheet of glass down and check it at least twice a day- the seed under the glass should germinate a day or so earlier-( to be fair,I've only seen that Done spring and autumn - not sure if the heat of our fantastic summer would make a difference

    That's a great idea


  • #81
    just do it
    Registered Users Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    You've rain coming and you're in a dry area so seed asap. Don't give the weeds any opportunity to get a head start. If the green is actively growing can't you spray again in a few days.


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  • #82
    Greengrass1
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    just do it wrote: »
    You've rain coming and you're in a dry area so seed asap. Don't give the weeds any opportunity to get a head start. If the green is actively growing can't you spray again in a few days.

    Dad wants to leave a few days now I'm unsure.
    pulled up roots we cut 5 yrs ago. Shingle sitting right under that field. No more than 10 inches down


  • #83
    leg wax
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    i sprayed 3 paddocks last wed, stopped after the first round as i saw a shower coming ,it passed not a drop fell so started again after a cup of coffee ,had it finished 2 hours and the heavens opened for 30 mins, i had the sprayer washed out and ready for the reseed spray underclear ,was going mad, it still worked seemed to get a good kill,ploughed ,leveled and set yesterday, now thats 6 paddocks done so far this year, if i can get 3 more done in early sept it will set me up nice for next year.


  • #84
    Greengrass1
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    leg wax wrote: »
    i sprayed 3 paddocks last wed, stopped after the first round as i saw a shower coming ,it passed not a drop fell so started again after a cup of coffee ,had it finished 2 hours and the heavens opened for 30 mins, i had the sprayer washed out and ready for the reseed spray underclear ,was going mad, it still worked seemed to get a good kill,ploughed ,leveled and set yesterday, now thats 6 paddocks done so far this year, if i can get 3 more done in early sept it will set me up nice for next year.

    This field brings us to 50%reseeded In 3 yrs
    about 80% of farm reseeded over all ij last 8 yrs..
    have milkers stocked at 4 most if the summer and reckon now when whole farm.is reseeded and p and k are right I could stock it that high yr round.
    Might not do any reseeding next yr and put that money into p and k


  • #85
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users Posts: 11,058 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Sr of 4 a bit ambitious gg this has been an exceptional year grass wise .3.3 /3.5 is about the outside you could go as a permanent sr for cows and then bump it up through periods of rapid growth


  • #86
    Greengrass1
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Sr of 4 a bit ambitious gg this has been an exceptional year grass wise .3.3 /3.5 is about the outside you could go as a permanent sr for cows and then bump it up through periods of rapid growth

    Nothing wrong with being ambitious mj
    Isn't jim delahunty and noel o toole doing it.
    If I can grow the grass no reason why I can't stock at that


  • #87
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    Stocked at 3.7 and I have taken 300kg dm per cow as bales. All indexes at 4 and 20% reseeded over the last ten years. One paddock last reseeded over 40 years and still grew more than the average. I can see no need to reseed unless I'm convinced new varieties will deliver more quality grass and more importantly more grass on the shoulders. 8.5 tons grown since the 16th April. I agree with Mahoney, it's been an exceptional year but if the milk price had been forecasted stronger I would have stocked at 4 or slightly higher.


  • #88
    browned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭browned


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with being ambitious mj
    Isn't jim delahunty and noel o toole doing it.
    If I can grow the grass no reason why I can't stock at that

    Would advocate caution as well. You've listed 2 of the very top farmers out there who didn't get to where they are over night. It wasn't the hare that won the race. Was once told Running at a high Sr is like driving a car down narrow country roads at 100mph you need to know where every corner is very early or it could get messy.


  • #89
    Greengrass1
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    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    Stocked at 3.7 and I have taken 300kg dm per cow as bales. All indexes at 4 and 20% reseeded over the last ten years. One paddock last reseeded over 40 years and still grew more than the average. I can see no need to reseed unless I'm convinced new varieties will deliver more quality grass and more importantly more grass on the shoulders. 8.5 tons grown since the 16th April. I agree with Mahoney, it's been an exceptional year but if the milk price had been forecasted stronger I would have stocked at 4 or slightly higher.

    Fully agree with you BP.
    We had too much scutch here thiugh and wasn't producing
    what's left now is producing great grass and is growing as good as any.
    I'll be using tonnes grown on paddocks from now on to decide what to reseed


  • #90
    Greengrass1
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    browned wrote: »
    Would advocate caution as well. You've listed 2 of the very top farmers out there who didn't get to where they are over night. It wasn't the hare that won the race. Was once told Running at a high Sr is like driving a car down narrow country roads at 100mph you need to know where every corner is very early or it could get messy.

    Agree won't do it in one yr will rise it up over a few yrs and see how it goes and find that 'sweet spot'
    We'll be stocked at 3.6 next yr on what we always graze and silage ground to fall back on if it's too high


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  • #91
    rangler1
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with being ambitious mj
    Isn't jim delahunty and noel o toole doing it.
    If I can grow the grass no reason why I can't stock at that

    Very different regime now with quotas gone.....was it you that claimed you were milking 35% more cows for the same amount of money.
    It gets to the stage where it's no longer worth the bother


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