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14-11-2019, 02:51   #46
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Very one sided agenda driven programme tonight.
You aren't allowed to debate This.

Its happening, and that's that.

Now just do what you're told, pay your carbon taxes and shut up.
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14-11-2019, 03:10   #47
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This might sound like a stupid question, but those images they showed were meant to highlight that Dublin would permanently have this water level, ok?

So if the centre of Dublin was flooded all the time like that, why would you drive a double decker bus through it? How stupid are Dublin Bus??
Maybe it's an Dublin Aquabus ...
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Very one sided agenda driven programme tonight.
The agenda is to wake people up to the reality. With money making being the primary concern in life for the vast majority of the population on this planet its going to be touch and go to whether we can actually get all the competing interests to align enough to do something about it. IMO We really wont tackle this issue until there is one major cataclysmic event killing millions.
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George 'Lorenzo' Lee.

My new name for him after his self indulgence for the 'hurricane' that had a max gust of 107km over Ireland.
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Any mention in the show about RTE's generous use of taxis on expenses and the carbon generated by such single-passenger journeys?

From the RTE Secret Producer:
8:20 PM - 17 Sep 2017
People are asking me good things to FOI - start with looking at taxis - especially ones booked 8AM to 11AM in the morning going to RTÉ and 5PM to 10PM in the evening going from RTÉ. They are mainly staff using them and claiming them back even though it is private travel.
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14-11-2019, 09:55   #51
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Here's the full annual minimum Arctic sea ice volume dataset for the satellite era, with the trend for the past decade. In any case, sea ice has practically zero contribution to sea level.
Your first link is blocked by my adblock.. tracker warning. Might be worth doing a scan if you aren't aware

Eh, you wouldn't be presenting a 5 year time block as evidence here would you? The irony

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Any mention in the show about RTE's generous use of taxis on expenses and the carbon generated by such single-passenger journeys?

From the RTE Secret Producer:
8:20 PM - 17 Sep 2017
People are asking me good things to FOI - start with looking at taxis - especially ones booked 8AM to 11AM in the morning going to RTÉ and 5PM to 10PM in the evening going from RTÉ. They are mainly staff using them and claiming them back even though it is private travel.
'Claiming them back' = ripping off the Irish people and taking them for complete mugs. Isn't that right, D.4orbes?

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Eh, you wouldn't be presenting a 5 year time block as evidence here would you? The irony
"Eh" - as you say yourself - firstly, he was not relying on any "5 year time block" as evidence.
Secondly, he provided the September Ice data on two charts - one for the last 40 years and one for the last decade.
He gave a total of 8 referenced charts - and you choose to sneer the post because you don't like one of them.
Sorry - there is nothing ironic in that.

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I always trust your opinion on this forum, always the voice of reason but have you any links to explain the artic/Greenland ice melt or lack there off?
I'm not doubting you but all mainstream media is saying the opposite.
I'd be interested in seeing the data for myself.
Do you not think that they all have to sing of the same hymn sheet when pushing a worldwide agenda?
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Do you not think that they all have to sing of the same hymn sheet when pushing a worldwide agenda?
I'm not sure it is as much a worldwide agenda as it is the bourgeoisie and their useful green tea supping suburban idiots needing *something' to believe in. They are as bad as those fundamentalist cultists who quote the Book of Revelations at every given opportunity, and like those fundamentalist cultists, their prophesies of the end of days always seem to get pushed further and further into the future when previous ones curiously fail.

Charles Manson springs to mind, and it is more than a little interesting how his 'followers' were all from particularly comfortable backgrounds also.
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I’m certain man made pollution is having some sort of effect (which we should be amending) but I always have a chuckle when I read headlines like yesterday “Venice experiencing highest tide in 50 years”

So what was the reason 50 years ago? 🙂
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14-11-2019, 11:51   #57
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I’m certain man made pollution is having some sort of effect
You could have a point.

"The fact that our planet is getting warmer even though aerosols are cooling it down at higher rates than previously thought brings us to a Catch-22 situation: Global efforts to improve air quality by developing cleaner fuels and burning less coal could end up harming our planet by reducing the number of aerosols in the atmosphere, and by doing so, diminishing aerosols' cooling ability to offset global warming."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0122104611.htm

I also recall reading a few years back that the mass reduction of industrial scale coal burning in eastern Europe, Germany & the UK etc over the last 20-30 years coincided with a sharp warming in the Arctic. Whether there is some truth to that or not, I guess it doesn't really matter in the end.
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Here's the full annual minimum Arctic sea ice volume dataset for the satellite era, with the trend for the past decade. In any case, sea ice has practically zero contribution to sea level.






Extent is similar. All data here.






Greenland melt area has reduced over the past decade. From here and here.










Regarding Greenland fisheries, was that piece actually shot now in November? I didn't see it. In any case, the subpolar gyre is anomalously cold over the past several years and may be signalling the decline in the positive AMO we've had since the mid-'90s.

Taken from the same website:

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NSIDC scientist Julienne Stroeve was one of the contributors to the chapters on sea ice and Arctic amplification—the outsized rise in Arctic air temperatures compared to the globe as a whole. One of the drivers of the special report is recognition that the oceans play a key role in the changing climate system, absorbing 90 percent of the excess heat within Earth’s system and up to a third of the carbon dioxide. Sea ice also reflects much of the sun’s energy back out to space, helping to keep the planet cooler than it otherwise would be. There is high confidence that the Arctic sea ice cover will continue to shrink (Figure 6).
As you say though, the melting arctic itself will not really affect sea levels but the reduction in its reflective effect is expected to lead to increased temperatures.

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The effects of anthropogenic warming are not as clear in the Antarctic, in particular for sea ice trends. This results in low confidence in any forecast of how Antarctic sea ice will evolve. The report also highlights how permafrost and snow cover are expected to change, as well as sea level rise from glacier and ice sheet mass losses. Given that the Antarctic ice sheet is starting to contribute more each year to global mean sea level rise, the potential for a meter (3.28 feet) of sea level rise by the end of the century remains possible. A key message of the report is that limiting global warming to a total of less than 2 degrees Celsius (4 degrees Fahrenheit) by the end of the century will help to mitigate the negative effects of climate change.
So while the the figure of 0.3-0.4m by 2050 might be on the high side, surely it's better to overestimate than underestimate?

It's a fairly simple concept - global temperatures are rising (I don't think anyone is disputing this?), increased temperatures mean ice melts, increased melting ice means higher sea levels and also increased global heating (due to less heat being reflected by the white snow/ice)

It could be that climate change is a massive conspiracy by the vast majority of the scientists in the world but it seems unlikely to me
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Not sure how accurate http://flood.firetree.net/ is but shows 1m increments of sea rise levels and flooding.

Agreed we all know sea levels are rising, more storms, more rain but I believe it's how it is being reported is the main problem. Lot of the media is hyping it up and also when that and the drama is being pushed at you day in and day out you start ignoring it, call it climate change fatigue.
The TV3 program a few months back with the professor from Maynooth was about the best one so far it was measured and he had a lot of valid points about climate change and especially about the EU farming policy. Good example was farming creates C02, EU pushing farmers to have more cattle which then produces more C02, which means more bad weather.
There is only so much fodder that can be grown for cattle and again more cattle, more fodder needed, more bad weather so less fodder. We are getting to the point that there is not enough land to produce the fodder to feed all the cattle.
For me that type of info is far more beneficial than showing a cgi of dublin streets with a meter of water.
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"Eh" - as you say yourself - firstly, he was not relying on any "5 year time block" as evidence.
Secondly, he provided the September Ice data on two charts - one for the last 40 years and one for the last decade.
He gave a total of 8 referenced charts - and you choose to sneer the post because you don't like one of them.
Sorry - there is nothing ironic in that.
Try looking at it again. His claim is related only to the last few years of the data. Which is technically correct the way it's phrased (if you trust the unsourced data I can't access), but the oldest tactic of the denialist is to claim short periods aren't suitable, hence the irony
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